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Topic: What if Jesus and Satan were real?
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Blue
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Message 483 of 591 (727383)
05-17-2014 6:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 482 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:08 PM
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Re: Satan
I am not sure why you are calling God a dick (hope you realize you are still calling him God by saying yahweh) when he created life and free agency. What, you don't like rules? Lol. Edited by Blue, : err
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Blue
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Message 485 of 591 (727385)
05-17-2014 6:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 484 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:17 PM
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Re: Satan
IF we interpret the story as satan deceiving adam and eve it is clear that God didn't set them up. This is a case where they were being deceived by satan. The reason they were judged is because they both knew they were not supposed to eat from the tree of good and evil. The point of the story is to teach people to hearken until the word of the LORD. IF people do not hearken until the word of the LORD then they will be judged for each particular sin. It is not that big of a deal. Praise God, don't steal, don't kill, dont lie, love your mother and father, love people....
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Blue
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Message 486 of 591 (727386)
05-17-2014 6:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 484 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:17 PM
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Re: Satan
I honestly don't know why people make such a big deal out of it...
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Blue
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Message 487 of 591 (727388)
05-17-2014 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 484 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:17 PM
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Re: Satan
Another argument is that God created evil because of satan. This is a stupid argument. God created free agency which in free agency satan chose to be evil. IF we presume that God is all knowing then yes he knew satan would choose evil but God also knows the final verdict which is deletion of evil entirely and an eternal life with those who love God.
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Blue
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Message 490 of 591 (727391)
05-17-2014 6:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 488 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:32 PM
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Re: Satan
It is referring to judgement as well. It Is not saying he creates evil to do evil or rather beings that do evil. Essentially he creates evil as punishment. He means, if you follow the definition of the Hebrew word, calamity.. it has been discussed in prev posts.
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Blue
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Message 491 of 591 (727392)
05-17-2014 6:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 489 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:35 PM
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Re: Satan
Nobody would get a chance at free agency.
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Blue
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Message 492 of 591 (727393)
05-17-2014 6:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 488 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:32 PM
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Re: Satan
In 109:7 it is using the context of satan as "adversary". It is not about the being satan. In ot you will see the word satan being used to mean either the fallen angel/son of God or just adversary.
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Blue
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Message 494 of 591 (727396)
05-17-2014 6:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 493 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:49 PM
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Re: Satan
How did he set them up to fail?
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Blue
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Message 495 of 591 (727397)
05-17-2014 6:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 493 by Larni 05-17-2014 6:49 PM
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Re: Satan
Evil is a property of free agency. It will be blotted out in judgement. The idea is everyone has to be given a chance at free agency.
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Blue
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Message 498 of 591 (727402)
05-17-2014 8:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 496 by Larni 05-17-2014 7:11 PM
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Re: Satan
Nobody is under God's command. We live in free agency. The devil does choose to do God's bidding but only to satans benefit.
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Blue
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Message 499 of 591 (727403)
05-17-2014 8:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 496 by Larni 05-17-2014 7:11 PM
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Re: Satan
Satan is a son of God like Jesus. He can appear as a regular angel. In my personal opinion they would seem like alien's. We would not recognize them as angels nesscesarily. These are real beings living in the universe and outside of it in God's place. I view God as mysterious in nature. Further eternity is not going to be dancing and singing in my view. Edited by Blue, : Add
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Blue
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Message 500 of 591 (727404)
05-17-2014 8:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 496 by Larni 05-17-2014 7:11 PM
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Re: Satan
Free agency has nothing to do with the tree of good/ evil.
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Blue
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Message 503 of 591 (727407)
05-17-2014 8:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 502 by Larni 05-17-2014 8:30 PM
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Re: Satan
No. The knowledge of good and evil is of good and evil. They just wouldn't have knowledge. Edited by Blue, : Err
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Blue
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Message 504 of 591 (727408)
05-17-2014 8:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 501 by Larni 05-17-2014 8:23 PM
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Re: Satan
We do need to keep his commandments but that doesn't mean we are not free. You get to choose. Yes there is judgement if you break them but it is still freedom to choose.
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Blue
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Message 506 of 591 (727413)
05-18-2014 1:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 505 by NoNukes 05-17-2014 9:47 PM
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Re: Satan
The bible doesn't speak on that question.
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