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Yeah I normally do. I was referring to the free will deal.

You're really looking at things from a relative standpoint, while I am looking at things from a more definite standpoint. I think, whether we like it or not, their is going to be things considered "wrong" in the world. Like killing someone. Therefore, the potential to do evil or wrong, HAS to be there. See where I'm coming from?

Ok, what if He just had foreknowledge and not the ability to do something about it. Would that still mean to Him, we are not in control of our own actions?

I was giving a hypothetical situation as to some comments that were made by Yaro. Why can't I do the same, if this is all Yaro is doing? As I had stated before that quote, I was going along with what Yaro believed to be the case. I was venturing from the argument to attempt to prove a point Yaro was seeming to have trouble grasping. As I stated, why can Yaro go of course from the argument with his beliefs, and I can't lean towards his beliefs for a moment. Could you be biased? Maybe that's why biased people shouldn't join in arguments where they didn't take the trouble in considering where someone else is coming from.It's not your fault your biased. Your atheist and your going along with the atheist argument for the most part. From your perspective, I dont blame you.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]

Yeah, well Yaro shouldn't have been arguing about something he didn't believe in the first place. That would be like me saying, "For a nothing who doesn't exist, it sure put a lot of wonderful things in the world." It was a pointless statement, and a pointless argument.I don't believe a nothing exists, therefore I don't believe it put wonderful things in the world. He doesn't believe a God exists, therefore he doesn't believe it put evil into the world. That's why I had to attack his statement.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-27-2004]

Haha, Oh man you're not even asking that question! Unless you want to go through this whole thing over again. I don't know, I guess they wouldn't even exist.

Yes, I knew he was being sarcastic. And thats probably the only reason I decided to debate with him. He's all like 'hahaha, God sure made a lot of evil for somebody who doesn't like evil dur.' The argument wasn't sarcastic though.

I thought atheists believed that evil only existed in our mind?

You're right, your post wasn't meant to be picked apart scientifically. But, you made a point I believe I was missing throughout the entire argument. Since God's attributes are already goodness personified, of course the opposite of these things is going to be wrong or evil. Well said.

ok... and by the way. What in the heck is oposits? That's not a word.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004][This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004]

Who says they're going to be equal? Love is much stronger than hate. Chocolate is the opposite of Vanilla, but that doesn't mean they're total opposites, or equal to eachother.[This message has been edited by roboto85, 01-29-2004]

I don't even believe that Satan is even God's full opposite. Nothing is bad enough to compare even oppositely with God's glory. The opposite of Satan would probably be any righteous angel who keeps Gods commands.