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Author Topic:   There you Go,YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs"
DorfMan
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Message 207 of 243 (391486)
03-25-2007 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudvanB
02-26-2002 2:37 PM


Nice try
Just a quick question. Early science taught what? And then what happened? And what happened after that? And then?
The mysteries of the universe were/are subject to increasing knowledge
quote:
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book
until the time of the end, many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."(Daniel 12:4)
Is this what happened? Are we endowed with the curiosity that makes things happen? OT people were observant, but what would they have done with the skills we have today, the knowledge?
* The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.
Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars”which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
* The Bible also says that each star is unique.
1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)
* The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.
Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
* The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.
Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
Nice try, though.

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DorfMan
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Message 214 of 243 (391588)
03-26-2007 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by anglagard
03-25-2007 12:45 PM


Re: Points of Fact
quote:
Dorfman writes:
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye.
Depends upon where you are. Please double that number at least for skies in the desert southwest of the US away from city light.
All stars look alike to the naked eye.
and
We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.
I can't vouch for other people's eyes but to me Betelgeuse is clearly red, Rigel is clearly white, and Altair is clearly yellow as has been noted since ancient times. If you don't believe me, go look for yourself.
Well, I did go look for myself. Even kept my glasses on. I froze my butt off and that is all that happened.
But, I'm glad the ancients were not color-blind.

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DorfMan
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Message 215 of 243 (391589)
03-26-2007 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Mikael Fivel
03-25-2007 12:28 PM


Re: then what is it?
quote:
dorfman, you bring up excellent points. early science wasn't about gaining wisdom and testing other people's THEOLOGICAL beliefs. it was about curiosity and understanding the workings of the world.
Yuppadoodle! Making observations, asking questions, and over again.
From Job 12:
12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
I think this was/is done.
quote:
and jar, if it's not stating a dinosaur LIKE creature as i said, then what is it? those dimensions stated are that of a dinosaur to me, even the scientists who support your argument.
I find Jar a story unto himself. I know few who are as or more confusing than he is. I mean that as a compliment.

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DorfMan
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Message 216 of 243 (391590)
03-26-2007 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by jar
03-25-2007 1:19 PM


Re: then what is it?
quote:
And what makes you think I have NOT read the Bible. In fact I'm willing to bet that I have worn out more Bibles reading them than you have ever owned.
There is a difference between reading and studying.
2 Timothy 3:7
KJV: Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
You can even study until you are green, and never understand the subject. Which would apply to me and my efforts with algebra.

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DorfMan
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Message 237 of 243 (391706)
03-26-2007 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by jar
03-26-2007 11:58 AM


Re: then what is it?
quote:
They simply happen to be WRONG.
This is one of those statements that make me 'urky'. In other words, a feeling difficult to put into words.
Yeah, 5,000 years ago they simply happened to be wrong. 5,000 years from now, futureman will say the same about you, laughing his ass off. I hope someone will have mercy on you and say........'well, he did the best he could with what he had'.

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DorfMan
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Message 238 of 243 (391707)
03-26-2007 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Mikael Fivel
03-26-2007 12:03 PM


Re: then what is it?
quote:
always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.
So you think this part cannot stand on its own and describe what I intended?
OK!
Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quote...again

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