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Message 31 of 86 (219548)
06-25-2005 1:51 PM
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06-25-2005 1:46 PM


Re: The books of lists...
I see. And you support that assertion with ...?


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Message 32 of 86 (219552)
06-25-2005 2:17 PM
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06-09-2005 1:02 PM


WRONG!!!
Actually, that is incorrect. The Old Testament was not written in no 600 BC. The Old Testament is a "compilation" of writings from Adam through to right up to the time of the Greeks...

The first five book series of the Bible were a compilation of historic writings on stone, by the forefathers: starting with Adam, Seth, Noah..., up to the writings of Moses(the Law/Torah), and the chosen high priests and scribes put these together...

Later, after papyrus was invented in Babylon...were these sacred Hebrew writings put down in scroll-like papyrus. Then it was again redone in scrolls and translated as the language of ancient Hebrew changed...then under Alexander the Great the Greek language began to dominate the world and therefore the original New Testament writings...again a compilation of books and letters...were written in Greek.

The original Scriptures are not fallible, they are tried and true...it is certain translations that are a little off. One must understand the ancient languages and cultures in order to correctly understand the Bible.


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Message 33 of 86 (219553)
06-25-2005 2:22 PM
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06-09-2005 1:42 PM


Elijah?
First of all it was Joshua, not Elijah. LOL!!!

That shows you are not to knowledgeable of the Bible so you are actually talking ignorantly.


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Message 34 of 86 (219555)
06-25-2005 2:26 PM
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06-25-2005 2:17 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
This brings us right back to the OP question...

Which bible is inerrant?

Since we don't have the originals, which translation of the bible is faithful to the originals and how do you know?

Where do you find this information concerning the authors of the originals?

Where does it say what was written by Adam, Seth or Noah?

Where do you get your understanding of the ancient languages and cultures?


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Message 35 of 86 (219556)
06-25-2005 2:31 PM
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06-25-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Elijah?
I'm going to step in as my admin alter ego and remind you of the Forum Guidelines. Pointing out a possible mistake does not need to involve calling anyone ignorant.

You do have a small history on this site of making broad assertions and then disappearing without answering any questions concerning them. I seem to recall AdminNosy having to repeatedly reply to you.

If you want to continue on this site, be prepared to back up your assertions and to refrain from name calling.

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Message 36 of 86 (219564)
06-25-2005 2:50 PM
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06-25-2005 2:17 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
Actually, that is incorrect. The Old Testament was not written in no 600 BC. The Old Testament is a "compilation" of writings from Adam through to right up to the time of the Greeks...

And Adam wrote ...?

The first five book series of the Bible were a compilation of historic writings on stone, by the forefathers: starting with Adam, Seth, Noah..., up to the writings of Moses(the Law/Torah), and the chosen high priests and scribes put these together...

And your evidence for the existence of those stone writings is ...?

Later, after papyrus was invented in Babylon...

And your evidence that papyrus was invented or even used in Babylon is ...?

The original Scriptures are not fallible, they are tried and true...

And where is it that the original scriptures can be found ...?

Your evidence that they were infallible is...?


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Message 37 of 86 (219574)
06-25-2005 3:41 PM
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06-25-2005 2:50 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
Adam wrote down the first 4 chapters.

The way the ancient Hebrews wrote was with ending the writing or scripture with the same way Adam ends his porion beginning in chapter 5 verse 1: "This is the account of Adam"

Noah ends his scripture in chapter 6 verse 9: "This is the account of Noah"

Noah's sons, in chapter 10 verse 1: "This is the account of Shem, Ham, and Japheth"

Noah's son Shem, in chapter 11 verse 10, "This is the account of Shem" ....and so forth throughout Genesis.

As far as stone writings...read up on the history of the Hebrews and you'll find that out.

As far as papyrus that's also history, as easy as an encyclopedia.

As far as infallible...all of its "PROPHECIES" have come to past. All of its "HISTORIC ACCOUNT" have been archeologically confirmed.
Everything taught in its writings have been "TRIED" and are used even by the medical field. The Bible's wisdom and its teachings "WORK". ...and the best one NATURE'S SCARS point to EVERYTHING the BIBLE states.


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Message 38 of 86 (219576)
06-25-2005 3:47 PM
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06-25-2005 3:41 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
So all you have are unsupported assertions?

As far as infallible...all of its "PROPHECIES" have come to past.

We have threads on that. Perhaps you can find one and post even one prophesy that has been fulfilled.

All of its "HISTORIC ACCOUNT" have been archeologically confirmed.

Please point us towards the archeologically confirmed evidence of


  • the flood.
  • the conquest of Canaan.
  • the Exodus.
  • the Garden of Eden.
  • Noah's Ark.


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Message 39 of 86 (219578)
06-25-2005 3:59 PM
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06-25-2005 3:41 PM


OT
You have several topics going here. None actually relate to the OP topic, which is "Which Bible is Inerrant?"

Your first portions would probably be better served in could moses have written the first five books of the bible, a thread you posted on once, back in December and never returned to answer any replies. If and when you do go back and reply on that thread, please include the bible translation you are getting your quotes from.

Your comment on papyrus, history, and encyclopedias need verification also. Every history of papyrus article I can find, lists Egypt as the place of origen.
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/dailylife/papyrus.html
is one example.

Maybe you could actually reply to my response to you found here,
Message 34, which IS on topic.


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Message 40 of 86 (219627)
06-25-2005 10:12 PM
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06-25-2005 3:47 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
RE:WRONG!!!
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So all you have are unsupported assertions?
As far as infallible...all of its "PROPHECIES" have come to past.

We have threads on that. Perhaps you can find one and post even one prophesy that has been fulfilled.

All of its "HISTORIC ACCOUNT" have been archeologically confirmed.

Please point us towards the archeologically confirmed evidence of

the flood.

the conquest of Canaan.

the Exodus.

the Garden of Eden.

Noah's Ark.

LOVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1) The Flood:

...Genesis states in chapter 7 "that the springs underneath "burst" through and the water canopy that surrounded the pre-flood earth poured down for 40 days and 40 nights to completely flood and destroy life on earth".

Does the earth have any "scars" that would point to such a catastrophic event? YES!

(Scar#1) The continental plates show that they were once together and that they were "TORN" apart. In between these continental plates there are oceans of bodies of water known as the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. In the bottom of these oceans there are "RIDGES" that show that there was such a "BURST" and "TEARING" apart in between these continents.

Such an event would send earthquakes and mudslides of all sorts "BURYING" all kinds of creatures and plants.

(Scar#2) Archeologists have found many "FOSSILIZED" animals and plants. Pointing once again to such an event. But also, archeologists have found fossils of "sea shells" and fish...creatures of the sea...on top of MOUNTAINS! North American fossils of animals that would have only lived in the other side of the world. Pointing once again to such an event.

(Scar#3) Genesis states in chapter 1 that the earth had a canopy of water that surrounded the earth. Where is it at now? Well, Genesis 7 states it was poured on the earth. (Brainteaser: Scientists have now found that the rings surrounding Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter...are not rock, but H2O!!! They are made of ice.)Hmmm.

(Scar#4) There needs to be a certain level of temperature in order for a prism to show in the sky after rainfall. No greenhouse effect now. So there can now appear a "rainbow". Showing the people that that canopy no longer threatens us!

(Scar#5) Evolutionists ASSumed that the geological chart of the earth's crust were "DIFFERENT AGES" and development of rock. Well, there have been fossilized trees that rip through those "supposedly" different ages of rock "RIPPING" through that theory.

(Scar#6) When scientists have tested super-charging the atmosphere such as they do in greenhouses with oxygen, water,...etc...plants grow to enormously larger and healthier proportions. As creatures of adaptation Africans develop bigger noses and skin toughens up right? Well, under a different earth climate in the pre-flood earth plants, animals, and humans would have grown to enormously larger and healthier proportions as well. Giving a hint to why mammoths, humans(supposedly, the neandrethal man), plants, trees, dinosaurs, etc...were so BIG. Also sheds some light into why Genesis states that people lived much, much longer in those days. Also pointing to such a pre-flood earth condition.

(Scar#7) Why were there animals and humans preserved in ice? Such an event would have caused such a terrible shift in climate that it would have caused such a freezing in certain parts that it would have caused such things. Ever seen that global warming movie...I think it was called "The Day After Tomorrow". It would have caused something like that. Thus starting the deteriorating of our ozone.

(Scar#8) Where is the Garden of Eden? Such an event would have not only buried it...but according to the geographical implications in Genesis it would be under the sea somewhere in the Atlantic. Hmmm. Wonder where the Atlantis legend came from? Hmmm.

(Scar#9) Part of the Egyptian pyramids and their sphinx have corrosion pointing to a part of these great monuments having been under water. Part of these monuments are newer than the older parts. Egyptians must have reconstructed these wonders that were once "SUBMERGED" in water.

(Scar#10) Why would generations that were PREARCHEOLOGY...PRE finding the first dinosaur bones...have legends of dragons? Why would the Bible speak about dragons and behemoths. Dragon = Dinosaur. Descriptions...same "KIND" of animal. Could it be that dragons did exist? Could it be that the same way that humankind have what some call different races, animals have different species, and dragons had different species? They are the dinosaurs!!! Scientists have found corpes of dinosaurs with skin still on them! Millions of years ago they say? LOL!!! In the Congos, the government have parts that they do not allow scientists in...same with the Amazon...Why?
Ask the village people why. They will tell you that in those forbidden jungles abide giant dragons!!!

2) Conquest of Canaan? I don't quite understand your question.

3) The Exodus? I don't understand that one either.

4) The Garden of Eden? I answered that one.

5) Noah's Ark? I don't understand that question either.

Be more specific.


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Message 41 of 86 (219628)
06-25-2005 10:15 PM
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06-25-2005 3:59 PM


Re: OT
Actually, I have been pressing the wrong REPLY button. As I am still getting used to this forum. I may have replied to the wrong post...I'll check.

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Message 42 of 86 (219630)
06-25-2005 10:25 PM
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Re: WRONG!!!
Okay. Enjoy your stay.


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Message 43 of 86 (219636)
06-25-2005 10:43 PM
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06-25-2005 2:26 PM


Re: WRONG!!!
In Genesis chapter 5 verse 1 it states: this is teh account of Adam...and so forth. Also, history is not ignored by all. Anyone who knows the Hebrew history know that the Bible was put together little by little. The ancient writings of what was the first writings kept and copied and translated as they developed the Scriptures. And yes, you are right about Egypt and papyrus. But I meant that it was put into scrolls and translated in Babylon.

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Message 44 of 86 (220656)
06-29-2005 10:40 AM
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06-25-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Elijah?
d_yankee said,

"First of all it was Joshua, not Elijah. LOL!!!
That shows you are not to knowledgeable of the Bible so you are actually talking ignorantly."

It shows I am a forgetful person. How does the fact that I confused Elijah and Joshua take away from the problem of making the "sun stand still" in relation to biblical inerrancy? Hmm?


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Message 45 of 86 (220751)
06-29-2005 3:31 PM
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Re: Elijah?
You might also have been thinking of Isaiah, who made the sun go backwards as a sign to King Hezekiah.

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