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Author Topic:   Determining a book's truth.
ReverendDG
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Message 7 of 161 (365262)
11-21-2006 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by attssyf
11-21-2006 8:38 PM


That's all I really need. Someone who is willing to say;
* The gospel of John is literally true
* The gospel of Thomas is not literally true
* The bible is the result of gathering together all the literally true books into one volume.
most christians don't even believe everything is literally true,unless it bulsters a belief they already have been told is true, just ask a fundie if they believe trees choose kings, they will say no, even though it says they do.
and to offer some theology* explaining how to discern good books from bad. Although I am a skeptic, I've posed the 150AD Christian situation in order to suggest an honest search for the Christian truth.
there isn't a way, many theologians from the early part of christianity argued for books that ended up non-canon, or were heretical by someone else.
hell it took church leaders hmm 1500 years to pick our current canon, and revelations was questioned for centuries
enoch is in a bible but not in others, machebees is in the vulgate, and the cathaloc OT, but the jews don't count it
the jews even have degrees of inspired work, from genesis to ruth, ruth being the least inspired i believe
the question is not really going to be answerable, no one agrees

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ReverendDG
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From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 24 of 161 (365538)
11-23-2006 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Juraikken
11-22-2006 12:46 PM


Re: Answers
hmm very interesting argument. i could also argue that point for evolution.....
i don't see how, the bible is not empirically true, so how is it like evolution?
unless of course, you have empirical evidence snakes could talk, women were born from ribs and a man killed a thousand people with a jaw bone.
i believe that most of the books in the bible were undisturbed quotes from God himself. but like revelations that was a dream John had, which was not DIRECT. i believe Genesis was from God, because, duh no one was there. i believe Exodus was from Moses, he wrote down everything that occured. see, there are some that are and some that are not.
so what you are claiming now, form what i can see, is that god talked about himself in 3rd person, and didn't call himself the same thing throughout the book?
there is no outside evidence of anything in exodus, the places the author claims they happened in exist, but theres no evidence any of the events happened.
you can believe what you want i guess, but to claim the words in the bible are by god, denies that the work has holes in it and looks written by people from three thousand years ago
yes, actually i can. in the creation of the bible, it took so much time and dedication to bring it together, lots of books denied God's authority so were tossed out, why? well hmm i think there were also people who HATED God and his love so they wrote about their hatred.
hated god? no i don't think you know much about the history behind the bible, more books were discarded because they didn't fit what the canon needed for consistency, many people wrote "heretical" works that were discarded solely because of what the controlling leaders thought should be in it
anyway any books that denied God's power, love, and Jesus' sacrificed were tossed out of the bible. it wasnt a simpl "o ok bye bye" deal, it took tons of hard work and dedication to get it rihgt. of course then that makes you think "then its what man has put together not God" this isnt true! God inspired all those books, and man FOUND all the "correct" ones and put them together, with the help of prayer. its simple, all aspects of the bible agree with eachother! there is none that contradict, so i would assume the puzzles fit perfectly fine.
ironicly many church leaders argued for the inspired nature of books that never made it into the canon, or books that only made it into one.
by the way many of the books don't fit together, enoch, a book that never was included, but for one church canon, influenced the whole NT, its were a good amount of the stuff on satan comes from, but its not considered inspired, but jesus took quotes and idea from it
from what i have read of the history, revelations took centuries to become "inspired" the churchs argued over whether it was right or not, how can anyone think the books are from god, if the leaders argue over its validity?
it is because the entire bible was put together so perfectly that if it didnt have ONE single book in it, it would throw off the balance. lets say you wanted to know something about God, one book can tell you, then explain about something else, and you wanted to know that one, but theres no book about that subject becuase the book of revelation was tossed out. NO we need all those books becuase every single one is important to the whole.
i have to disagree, i've read most of the bible, and there is no way its perfect, why include 3 different sets of commandments? why 2 religious laws? why do they repeat stories? what difference would it make if they left out revelations? its not even in most of the bibles up to the kjv and it didn't mean anything
if some of it is fake, then ALL of it is fake!
so in order for it to be right on the spiritual meanings, the silly myths about a guy killing a thousand people with a jawbone and a guy causing animals to give birth to striped animals by putting sticks in a trough, have to be true?

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