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anglagard
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Message 38 of 161 (405456)
06-13-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Psalm148
06-12-2007 11:50 PM


A Less Than Simplistic Answer
Psalm148 writes:
As for my thoughts on the overall topic, I think I may be broaching one of the preset rules for the discussion, but I think the Bible has to be an "all or nothing" deal. Because if some is true and some isn't, how do you pick and choose? Who's to say what right and what's not?
Maybe you could use some of your 'God-given' intelligence.
{ABE} welcome to EvC!
{ABE2} Granted that response was a bit curt but it essentially gets to the heart of the problem of interpreting the Bible. If one is to give their very soul over to a given religion above and beyond all other considerations, shouldn't that religion be worthy of deep study and consideration above and beyond just sheepishly accepting what one is being told the given religion is all about? The Bible is a lengthy, complex, and self-contradictory document that speaks to people on many levels. Isn't it a bit lazy to just say it is 'an all or nothing deal' as though any individual is the 'all-knowing' master interpreter of the message?
Perhaps if approached with a sense of humility as opposed to self-righteousness, the message contained within the Bible may be more completely apprehended.
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anglagard
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Message 42 of 161 (405594)
06-13-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Psalm148
06-13-2007 4:31 PM


The Contradiction of Non-Contradiction
Psalm148 writes:
I disagree however with the statement that the Bible is contradictory. I think statements of contradiction can be accurately explained (at least the ones dealing with accounts that seem to contradict in overall things, not details of numbers, I can't explain all of those yet).
So you are saying the Bible is not self contradictory except in the minor cases of details or numbers where it is self-contradictory.
As for the flood, as of so far I believe that it happened, but I have not done personal research on it.
Maybe you should examine and even test your beliefs if you would like to make them stronger, or at least more nuanced and less robotic.
That's what one would do if they felt their beliefs were worthy of their study and attention.
Edited by anglagard, : spelin

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anglagard
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Message 57 of 161 (405672)
06-14-2007 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Psalm148
06-14-2007 7:11 AM


Re: Psalm148's declaration of all or nothing...
Guess what the fifth hit in google is under the search term 'contradictions in the bible'
Bring You To – The Marketing Blog
It even has excuses for the "purported 143 listed contradictions in the Bible."
Some of my personal favorites are the excuses for 104, 105 etc. explained as "copyist's errors."
So much for Biblical infallibility.
But of course anyone who can seriously state that a city that can't be rebuilt according to prophecy yet was rebuilt on the exact same site is not a violation of such prophecy because it is not the same city could also say that 'copyist errors' prove Biblical infallibility.
Instead of using the Bible as the final word on matters of science, engineering, history, law, medicine, nutrition, etc. why not just concentrate upon the central message that even our 'fallible and yet infallible at the same time' copyists couldn't manage to screw up?
Edited by anglagard, : cumbersome sentence, but little improvement anyway

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anglagard
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Message 58 of 161 (405673)
06-14-2007 9:44 AM
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06-14-2007 7:11 AM


Re: Psalm148's declaration of all or nothing...
Psalm148 writes:
Just to clarify, you mean either logical contradictions then, and contradictions involving Principals?
I doubt TD can clarify this as they did not have secondary schools in Biblical times.

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anglagard
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Message 70 of 161 (405786)
06-14-2007 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Psalm148
06-14-2007 9:14 PM


Determining Socrates' Book's Truth
Psalm148 writes:
If the issue is that since there is no writing dating back to that time to confirm that Daniel was in fact writing from Babylon and Persia, additionally to the question of why he would do that is that if you do that for this, why do you accept things like Socrates? None of his original works exist. And yet do you challenge them?
I don't know what has happened to the educational system in this country. Everyone used to know that Socrates never wrote down a single word so far as anyone has ever said throughout the entirety of history. We know Socrates through Plato's works, you know Plato the philosopher, that Plato.
{yeah, I know Aristotle, Xenophon, and Aristophanes mentioned him as well, I'm talking about the main source, so save your fingertips}
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