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PaulK
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Message 27 of 161 (403159)
06-01-2007 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by tcroth01
06-01-2007 3:19 AM


Re: Reasons to Trust Bible as the Truth
Biblical prophecy has been discussed here many times and we have yet to see one provably good example. If you have a specific example you want to discuss it can be taken to one of the earlier topics or we can start a new one.

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Message 82 of 161 (405953)
06-15-2007 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Psalm148
06-15-2007 2:58 PM


Daniel, Rome and Greece
To avoid a "pile-on" I'll stick to just one subject. The author Daniel does not make Rome a major part of his "prophecies". Rome is mentioned - but only briefly and in passing. Daniel is very much focussed on the Hellenistic Empires that were founded by Daniel - especially the Seleucids - although the Ptolomies also have a role. Now maybe Jesus did beleive that Daniel's prophecies referred to events in his future. But if he did he was badly wrong.

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Message 96 of 161 (406440)
06-20-2007 2:55 AM
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06-19-2007 7:15 PM


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I'm still looking into this, but according to Josephus, Alexander the Great was shown a prophecy about him when he came through, it was either Daniel, or Zechariah. So here would be evidence that it was written during his time at least. And if that is the case, it still predicted the division between his four generals.
Josephus was writing more than 400 years after the events. We can't even assume that the story is true, let alone that it refers to a specific book. It certainly isn't evidence that the Book of Daniel was written at that time. And any claim that the Book of Daniel predicted an event requires that the book was written before that event. There's stronh evidence that Daniel wasn't written until long after Alexander's Empire was divided.
I've started a new topic on whether the Book of Daniel centres on the Greek or Roman Empires. I hope you'll be there to back up your claim that Daniel focusses on Rome.

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Message 98 of 161 (406459)
06-20-2007 8:24 AM
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06-20-2007 8:02 AM


Josephus is well known but mainly respected for his work on more recent events and even then his work has to be carefully checked for bias. And yes, he was very pro-Jewish (being a Jew himself). His story is not nearly trustworthy enough to overthrow the weight of evidence that the Book of Daniel was written much later.

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