Determining a book's truth.

What I disagree with is that you are referencing things of dates much later in time. Aka the council of Trent. I think the Church was corrupted at this time. Largely due to the fact that Constantine screwed around with a lot of doctrine and did a lot of incorporating with Hellenistic culture.True followers of Christ and believers wouldn't have thought to throw out the old law because that is where they get their scripture. Note, the Apostle Paul often quotes the Old Testament. Evidently he believed it to be factual otherwise he would not have bothered to cite it.Jews and tradition is not what is important, rather the written word. The Law that was given by God to Moses on Mt. Horeb (according to the text), and that is what Jesus uses when he teaches. He rebukes the pharisees for forsaking God's law for tradition. Not to say that what the Older generation did is invalid, but rather that they must keep God's word rather than tradition.

I normally don't get myself involve with a discussion like this, but I guess there will be exceptions to everything. Would you agree that if I can produce a single example from the bible that is proven to be not true, the entire bible can be considered to be total nonsense?

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Within reason. Like as of right now if an account is one number off, like David numbered at 10,000 here, and then 20,000 there, Probably not, but I would definitely have something to think about. However, if you can give me something more substantial that contradicts, than yes, I would consider the Bible to be perhaps not nonsense, but I would likely not believe it anymore. Did you have an example in mind?

Also 100% false. In fact, that particular myth, the Tyre myth and the phony net photos, was the direct precipitation cause of one member here abandoning Christianity. See Message 1.The Daniel stuff is what is called post-hoc reasoning. It is simply making stuff up.Actually, even the books of the old testament were not compiled and set into Canon until after Jesus time.Further, there is no one Bible Canon even today. The Books in the Bible vary from Canon to Canon. I am not speaking of translations, but rather Canon, the list of what books should be included and excluded. Sure. A reasonable summation of Scripture but one that can also include Huck Fin and Moby Dick. That is certainly true but when it comes to the Bible, it is obvious that God did not put it together since there is no one single Canon.As to contradictions, the Creation Myth found in the younger story of Genesis 1 and the earlier, older combination of stories beginning in Genesis 2 are mutually exclusive. The Gods are different, the order is different and the methods are different. We use reason, the brains GOD gave us, and test the stories against reality.

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Dead Sea Scrolls and I believe the Septuagint predate the BC times, thus they were written before Christ, and they include those prophecies.As for Tyre, that would be the ancient city of Tyre. It is common fact that Neb. Sacked it, and then Alexander built the causeway. As for the nets, I'm not talking about some phony web photo. My cousin has a friend who personally went there and viewed the location of the ANCIENT city of Tyre, and saw some funny little men down there fishing and took a picture.I don't entirely understand what you mean by Canon.. I'm guessing it is something associated with the RCC? If so I'm guessing it it refering to what books are included or excluded from the book they use as Scripture. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I want to know accurately what you are saying."Another rendition or meaning of 2 Tim. is Scripture is given, or inspired, words that would give a different twist to the text.Sure. A reasonable summation of Scripture but one that can also include Huck Fin and Moby Dick."Please explain, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.The explination of Gen 1&2 could get complicated since you mentioned that the "Gods" Were different. I can explain this, but the question is do you want me to get into this?Using our brains means using our human prejudices and failings. We take what we want to say because that is how we want to live. Is that what you are saying?Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?Substitute brain for heart as that is what we think with, and ow do you think people will interpret the text?

I read a bit of the post on the Tyre story, and it looks like I had said some of the things faith had said. Let me give a bit more background:Tyre was a two part city. Land Tyre, and Sea Tyre. Sea tyre was an Island off the mainland that was more or less a fortress. So Neb. comes through and attacks the mainland. They defend for a while and then withdraw (evacuate) to the fortress which no one could get to because they would sink any ships that came by, and it was impossible to even land a ship near enough to attack anyway because of how it was built.So Neb moves on after doing the initial destruction of Tyre. Then Alexander comes in. He says to surrender. They basically thumb their noses and say "Neeener Neener Neeeener!" And this ticks him off because he was a proud dude. So he decides to take the city no matter the cost. Note it is the island city he is taking. So he constructs a causeway using the rubble of the old city. This is fact. He lost a lot of men doing this to, but in the end was able to construct a causeway that led to the island city and then took it. Neb started, Alexander completed, some other people rebuilt. It is fact about the causeway, look at pictures and see the underwater strip connecting the two. Much of the causeway has been destroyed due to erosion as well as the fact that Tyre wasn't too keen on allowing it to reach them.

A Canon is the list of book accepted into a Sacred text. The Protestant and Roman Catholic Cannons are pretty close, they include the same books although some protestant churches roll some into the Apocrypha.But That is just one Canon, the Western Canon. There are many others, the largest being the Ethiopian Orthodox Large Canon (they also have a short Canon) that includes 82 Books IIRC.The smallest Canon IIRC is the Samaritan which includes only the first five books of the Old Testament. God can work through anything including fiction. I'm sorry but I simply don't believe that. It is another of those friend of a friend stories.The facts are that Alexander did not destroy the old city of Tyre when he conquered it. He left it intact and in fact it was still a functioning fortress when the Crusaders returned and had to take it again.Read the thread I linked you too. No, of course not. I'm saying you should use your brains to test the truth of the Book, in this case the Bible. For example, the truth is that the Prophecy about Tyre was never fulfilled.The Bible is a Map, and like all Maps should be tested against reality. Where it is accurate it is fine but just because the map says there is a bridge there, don't drive across without looking to make sure.AbE:I didn't address this the first time, so let me address it now. You said: Actually, that too is false. Nebuchadnezzar laid seige to the city, tried for 13 years to take the fortifications, and failed. He was forced to simply give up and head back home. The Old City of Tyre, the one on the Island, was NEVER torn down to the ground and used only as a place to dry nets and is even a thriving metropolis today.The old Tyre canard is definitely not fulfilled prophecy of any sort.Edited by jar, : add more on Tyre:

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Depends on you. Which topic would you rather we talk about? Morality or real world knowledge?

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Eze 26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

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If it is said that a city will be built no more/never be rebuilt refers to reestablishing that former city. A city with the same name doesn't mean it is the same city. Someone would have had to build it with the intent of remaking Tyre and restoring what Tyre formerly was.For example: Twin towers fell. Having a memorial of them is not rebuilding them. Tyre falls. A city built in Africa named Tyre wouldn't be rebuilding Tyre, though the name is shared, and just a city built near the ancient location would not mean it was the same.
The same holds true with Babylon. It is said that it would never be rebuilt, but people have tried to restore what it was (Hanging Gardens, etc) and they all failed. Why? Because God said they would fail. Now, there is a difference with this Tyre. Because evidently God allowed it to be rebuilt. And my proposition is that this Tyre was different than the other one.

Just to clarify, you mean either logical contradictions then, and contradictions involving Principals? Give me an example of each I suppose.

Guess what the fifth hit in google is under the search term 'contradictions in the bible'Bring You To – The Marketing BlogIt even has excuses for the "purported 143 listed contradictions in the Bible."Some of my personal favorites are the excuses for 104, 105 etc. explained as "copyist's errors."So much for Biblical infallibility.But of course anyone who can seriously state that a city that can't be rebuilt according to prophecy yet was rebuilt on the exact same site is not a violation of such prophecy because it is not the same city could also say that 'copyist errors' prove Biblical infallibility.Instead of using the Bible as the final word on matters of science, engineering, history, law, medicine, nutrition, etc. why not just concentrate upon the central message that even our 'fallible and yet infallible at the same time' copyists couldn't manage to screw up? Edited by anglagard, : cumbersome sentence, but little improvement anyway

I doubt TD can clarify this as they did not have secondary schools in Biblical times.

What you are doing is, as I pointed out in Message 40, You are looking for any conceivable way to avoid the contradiction whether it is reasonable, logical or true.Nebuchadnezzar tried to conquer Tyre. He failed. After 13 years of trying he had to retreat. Alexander conquered the city but again, he did not destroy Tyre and in fact left it after making offering in the Temple inside the city. Tyre was still a fortress in 634 when the Muslims took it and held it as a fortress until 1124 when the Crusaders arrived.From 2700BCE or so right through until today Tyre has stood. That is called willful ignorance of the facts. Stop and check the actual history of Tyre instead of simply believing what your pastors and ministers tell you. Read the actual prophecy instead of simply believing what your pastors and minister tell you.Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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OK. Have a good day-Equinox