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Author Topic:   Reverse realm and contradictions of bible translation
rockondon
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Message 82 of 118 (552670)
03-30-2010 3:27 PM


well if we're talkin about bible contradictions in a creation vs evolution forum, contradictions in Genesis is a good place to start.

Genesis 1:25-27 (Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19 (Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 1:27 (The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:18-22(Man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Genesis 1:20-21 (fowl came from the water)
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
Genesis 2:19 (fowl came from the ground)
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;

Genesis 7:17 (how long was the flood?)
And the flood was forty days upon the earth
Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Genesis 8:13
In the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth.
Genesis 8:14
And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

Genesis 10:24 (Who is Salah's dad?)
And Arphaxad begat Salah.
Luke 3:35-36
Salah, which was the son of Cainan.

Genesis 11:1 (There is only one language)
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language
Genesis 10:5 (There are multiple languages)
By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue.
Genesis 10:20
These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues.
Genesis 10:31
These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues.

Genesis 19:13 (Was sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by angels or the Lord?)
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
Genesis 19:24
The LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.

Genesis 26:34 (Who was Bashemath's father?)
And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
Genesis 36:2-3
Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah, the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and ... Bashemath Ishmael's daughter.

Genesis 28:5 (Who was Laban's father?)
And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban the son of Bethuel the Syrian.
Genesis 29:5
And he said unto them, Know ye Laban the son of Nahor?


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rockondon
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Message 86 of 118 (558574)
05-02-2010 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by JRTjr
04-26-2010 2:44 AM


Re: Genesis Chapter #1 verses Chapter #2 ?
Dear Rockondon,
Please see my posting about (“What's Best Reconciliation of Gen 1 and 2 You've Heard?” Message #36).

Thank you for your participation,
JRTjr

I followed your link. Thanks for providing it.
Geneses Chapter one and Chapter two are separate accounts of the same events. However, unlike most modern literature not every thing is set in chronological order.
Geneses Chapter one is a chronological account of the events of creation; its purpose is to chronicle for us the creation of all things in this universe...
The contradictions are in the words that are said, not the order in which they are written. Whether or not Genesis 2 was written chronologically is irrelevant.
And incidentally, I'm curious to see how you would justify your claim that it is not written chronologically.
The verses in chapter two that have created this confusion are Geneses 2: 18 -19

18. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
(KJV)
Now reading these two verses it is easy to come to the conclusions that:

Ø God created man before animals
Ø Gods reason for creating the animals was to find a (help meet) for Adam

However, if you take it from the point of view that this is an account of God’s first dealing with man, then you can see that the writer is not listing thing in chronological order, rather he is listing them in order of relevance to the subject he is speaking to. In verse 19 he references to the creation of the animals to show that thy wouldn’t make appropriate “help meets” to Adam. Thus, there is no contradiction between Geneses chapters One and Two.

That is merely one of the contradictions in Genesis - attempting to refute one does not refute them all.

Whether or not they are 'appropriate help meets' is irrelevant. In Genesis 1 (which you state is written chronologically) we are told that "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image." (Man is made after animals).
In Genesis 2 we see what you mentioned above - man was alone so God created animals. That is a contradiction. If you make tangential comments about "help meets" or writing chronologically, it is still a contradiction.

Genesis 1 claims that man and woman were created simultaneously, and after animals. Genesis 2 claims that man was made first, then animals, then women.
In Genesis 1 it says that man came after plants. In Genesis 2 it says that man came before plants. There's many more examples I could give.

Whoever wrote these separate accounts should have put more thought into it. Elementary school kids could have done a better job of making a harmonious account of creation, to think that someone with a godlike intellect was inspiring this book is absurd in my opinion.


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