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Message 16 of 156 (507973)
05-09-2009 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Peg
05-09-2009 9:42 AM


peg writes:

Are you assuming that the Romans did not require married women to be registered along with their husbands? If the census required all 'families' to be registered, then why is it unusual that a man and his wife would go to register as a family?

Whether the wife would have to accompany her husband is irrelevant. The point is why would the Romans create a total logistical nightmare by having people all over the empire go back to their ancestral home simply to register when it would be simpler to just have them register where they are. No the only reason for the enclosure of such nonsense is to attempt to fulfill the prophesy.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 21 of 156 (508058)
05-10-2009 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Peg
05-10-2009 7:07 AM


Peg writes:

Herod’s death (which likely occurred in 1 BCE).

IAW one of your seemingly favorite historians,

Wiki writes:

Josephus wrote that Herod died after a lunar eclipse,and a partial eclipse[20] took place in 4 BC. It has been suggested that 5 BC might be a more likely date – there were two total eclipses in that year. However, the 4 B.C. date is almost universally accepted.

So where do you come up with 1BCE?

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 26 of 156 (508175)
05-11-2009 5:56 AM
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05-11-2009 3:09 AM


It could have been 5BCE, 4BCE, 1BCE. That is the problem with proving this. When was the census? When was Quirinus Governor? The dates are all speculative. Plus the fact that these were written down years later and not by anyone who was there. Without information to confirm this it can be said that, one cannot be sure of when anything happened.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 28 of 156 (508276)
05-11-2009 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Peepul
05-11-2009 12:30 PM


in response to your statement to Michamus

peepul writes:

It's also your responsibility to justify your claims, not mine to justify them for you.

I feel that he has. His statement

Of course, a simple google search would have yielded similar results

was simply showing that it doesn't take any excess knowledge to get an answer.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 34 of 156 (508312)
05-12-2009 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Asteragros
05-12-2009 12:59 PM


I don't think anyone is denying the possibility that a tax census was conducted during the time Quirinius's rule , but it still shows no reason why every person in the roman Empire would have to travel back to their Ancestral home to register. What are they going to tax the ancestors? Also if one looks at the Roman Empire in ~4 BCE, It ranged from the Atlantic to Mesopotamia & all of Northern Africa. A person living in what is now Belgium but who came from Cairo traveling by foot or ass would take considerable time to arrive at his destination. Try going from Los Angeles to Boston by ass and see how long it would take.
No the only reason I can see for the people having to return to their home city was just to make the prophesy come out. Plus their is no evidence that Luke wrote "Luke".

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 39 of 156 (508423)
05-13-2009 9:14 AM
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05-13-2009 6:11 AM


Peg writes:

perhaps the register was for the Jewish occupants only?

That makes no sense at all, The Romans were a stoic, militaristic society. They would not pick one group of people to have to go to register it would be all or none.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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bluescat48
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Message 42 of 156 (508562)
05-14-2009 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Theodoric
05-14-2009 4:06 PM


Yes ie. property in say Novemberge (Nürnberg Germany), Gibraltar, Carthage & Jerusalem, all of which were part of the Roman empire circa 4BCE.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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