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MangyTiger
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Message 16 of 178 (338247)
08-06-2006 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
08-06-2006 12:02 AM


Re: Business as usual
10. That the wastelands of Israel will again blossom and flourish is being significantly fulfilled with Israel exporting far more than it consumes
Care to back this claim up with figures buz?
According to Bank Of Israel figures Israel has been running an average monthly trade deficit since at least 2002 (over $601 million a month in 2006 up to the middle of July - and I doubt the situation in Lebanon has helped).
The CIA Factbook shows revenue of $43.82 billion and expenditure of $58.04 billion (estimated 2005).
Looks to me like a trade deficit of $7+ billion and a budget deficit of $14+ billion - how do you see it?
being one of the major exporters of lush produce to Europe and other areas.
I'm going to call BS on this as well unless you can produce figures to the contrary. The EU is one of Israel's main export markets, especially for produce, but I'm not at all convinced that Israel is one of the largest providers to the EU.
A quick Google search threw up this paper which says in 1997 Israel provided 4.5% of the fruit, 4.1% of the vegetables and 2.9% of the processed fruit and veg - giving a total of 3.9% of the total fruit and veg imported into the EU.

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MangyTiger
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Message 20 of 178 (338379)
08-07-2006 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
08-06-2006 11:47 PM


Re: Business as usual
I was referring to what they grow, saying in that statement that the wasteland would blossom. I believe I am correct in stating they export more produce than they consume.
Fair enough - I wasn't taking you quite so literally.

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MangyTiger
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Message 29 of 178 (340687)
08-16-2006 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
08-16-2006 10:17 PM


Russia has consistently sided with the enemies of Israel
Well if you consider that since Israel was established it has been an ally or client state of the US (or vice versa some might say) and the USSR and the US were engaged in the Cold War this isn't in the least surprising. The enemies of Israel at the time (Egypt, Syria, Lybia et al) were clients of the USSR. It was just a function of the superpower politics of the post-WW II era.
just as they did lately concerning Lebanon's Hezbollah
Gotta ask you to back this up buz - I think it's nonsense. Please provide some specific instance of Russia siding with or supporting Hezbollah.
and imo will in the end be with the Armageddon invaders for the demise of Israel and particularly Jerusalem.
Ok so how is the Red Army going to get to Israel buz? A quick glance at a map suggests they will have to go through Turkey and/or Iraq. Turkey is a member of NATO - after 9/11 the members of NATO affirmed that an attack on one of them would be considered an attack on all. So before they get anywhere near Israel they are in a shooting war with the US and the rest of the NATO countries. If they manage to avoid that that do you really think the US is going to let them roll through Iraq after all the pain you've gone through to get your military established there?
Of course Russia could just nuke the place off the face of the planet (it is one of only about three countries with a bigger nuclear arsenal than Israel and - maybe - the means to deliver them after all) - but does anybody see that as a realistic possibility?
Russia has moved on. It's interests now are in joining the WTO and building itself back into a global power ecomically using the huge natural resources (especially gas) it has. Maybe once they've done this and/or Putin dies or is replaced things will change - but I see no reason to think getting involved in an invasion of Israel would be in their plans.
Actually I've just thought about this. In the modern world why would anybody except the surrounding Arab states have the slightest interest in invading Isreal? There's no sensible reason at all for any non-Middle East State to do it, quite apart from the logistical difficulties in getting there.

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MangyTiger
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Message 37 of 178 (341528)
08-19-2006 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
08-19-2006 6:15 PM


It was Russian built anti-tank sophisticated missiles which were supplied to nations friendly to Hezbollah and used by Hezbollah to surprise the Israeli army with alarming loss of their tanks in this war.
This may well be true - although according to Haaretz Russia denies it and Israel has so far failed to back up the claims.
Even if it's true, so what? Arms sales is a very lucrative business and Russia wants a share of the pie just like the US, France, Britain and sundry other countries.
It was American designed and/or built planes sold to Israel that wreaked such havoc on the Lebanese infrastructure and killed so many innocent civilians. Does this indicate the US is anti-Lebanon or anti-Arab?
Not to mention that the US has directly armed terrorist and resistance groups around the world for decades.
Russia and Israel have always been at odds.
Actually I think you'll find it can't have been for longer than about 60 years. I'd also argue most of that is due to Israel being America's proxy in the Middle East during the Cold War period.
Israel is the only real nation relatively near to Russia which thwarts their ambitions.
Well apart from China. Oh and Japan. And Germany. And France. And Turkey. And what's that little country just across the Bering Straits from Russia - oh yeah, the United States.
Could you please explain in what way Israel "thwarts their ambitions"?
Islam is becoming a significant factor in Russian affairs with significant influence and power. This will increase as it will worldwide.
A significant factor sure - the problems in Chechnya and the surrounding area are a significant issue for the Russians. In what way though does Islam have significant influence and power in Russia?
MT writes:
Actually I've just thought about this. In the modern world why would anybody except the surrounding Arab states have the slightest interest in invading Isreal? There's no sensible reason at all for any non-Middle East State to do it, quite apart from the logistical difficulties in getting there.
It's the oil leverage which major Islamic nations enjoy and the wealth which they are ammasing via it.
Are you seriously suggesting that non-Middle Eastern states are going to invade Israel to stay on the right side of the oil producing Arab states? If you are then you need to check out the people preparing your food and drink - 'cos I think they're slipping you LSD!
Why, for example does the US cowtow to one of the most brutal imperialistic Islamic nations, i.e. Saudi Arabia?
Brutal - undoubtedly. Islamic - even more undoubtedly. Imperialistic - I'm calling BS on that claim buz. Please provide some instances of Saudi Arabia being imperialistic.
If it weren't for the oil, we'd be demanding some human rights there also
No you wouldn't. You'd be completely ignoring them like you did with Afghanistan before 9/11 and like you still do with places like Zimbabwe. Countries that are poor, far away and have dark skinned populations don't feature on America's radar.

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MangyTiger
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Message 130 of 178 (345892)
09-01-2006 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by ReformedRob
08-30-2006 8:24 PM


City vs. Island fortress
I've been away from the site for a week and am still trying to catch up. I've only got to Message 90 of 129 so apologies if somebody else points out what I say later in the thread.
You seem a little confused about the island part of Tyre - in your first message (Message 45) in this thread you claim that the island is the port of Sidon:
the second assault by Alexander the Great who got so mad at their escape to the Island of Sidon that he took all the remains of the city and built a causeway out to Sidon and killed them all. Look it up and try to refute it.
You seem to have realised that was nonsense and quietly dropped it.
You later moved on to claim the island is not actually the city but rather a fortress:
ReformedRob in Message 90 writes:
Everyone keeps making the same mistakes. The island fortess is the city (wrong).
You first make the claim that the island is a fortress and not the city in Message 66 and repeat it in Message 72, Message 77, Message 82 and Message 90.
Nowhere do you produce any evidence to support this claim.We can however look at the sources you cite in some of your messages:
Message 49:
The siege of Tyre had a lasting effect, for the mole stayed, silted up, and today Tyre is connected to the mainland.
Note that it says today Tyre is connected to the mainland - not "today Tyre is connected to the island fortress".
Message 54:
The difference was that the fortifications of Halicarnassus had been protected by a ditch of only fifteen meters wide and that the walls of Tyre were protected by the sea: the old city was built on an island.
To reach the Tyrian walls, the Macedonians built a mole.
Message 66:
After its capture, 10,000 of the inhabitants were put to death, and 30,000 were sold into slavery. Alexander's causeway, which was never removed, converted the island into a peninsula
Seems like your own sources regard the island as Tyre.

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