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Author Topic:   Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy
IamJoseph
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Message 174 of 178 (457551)
02-24-2008 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by PaulK
02-16-2008 5:19 AM


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So to answer the first 3 questions:
1) The Lost Tribes have not returned, Ezekiel 17 has been completely misrepresented and the two Isaiah references refer to things that must be long past. Accordingly we cannot reliably say that ANY of these prophecies are being fulfilled in the present day.
I think the issue of biblical prophetic writings was not to suit a particular generation's wish list. The factor you have missed is that the lost tribes were prophesized to be 'dispersed' by Isaiah, and this occured. That their return has not happened as yet is debatable: you may never know if the one standing beside you is one of them, nor when the appropriate time is come for it. Israel was returned after 2000 years, during the Holocaust, when all nations barred Jews entry while they fleed the camps and as Europe's chimneys still fumed. So the time factor is not time, but event factored. This is the true impact of a prophesy, a sign and an omen - when it over-turns natural phenomena.
Re Lebanon. This state only manifests the principle that the Arab Muslims see the entire region as islamic, and no other religion will prevail in this region [Quran]. The political manourvers of today only hide this truth.
Both christians and jews predate Islam, and are being persecuted - and the christians are quagmired between a rock and a hard place. If they side with the Muslims, and thereby reject the rights of Israel, they will have a war with Islam which will assume control of Jerusalem and all christian claims; and if christians do admit to Israel's rights, they contradict their religion. Here, prophesy says, in ironic, pointed and quagmiring mode:
'I WILL MAKE JERUSALEM AS A BURDEN UNTO THE NATIONS'.
Yes/No?
It also says:
'AND I WILL GIVE YOU YOUR RAINS IN ITS DUE TIME'
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IamJoseph
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Posts: 2822
Joined: 06-30-2007


Message 176 of 178 (457683)
02-24-2008 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by PaulK
02-24-2008 4:10 PM


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So you are presumably saying that the prophesied events aren't meant to happen.
What I said was, whether one subscribes to prophesy or not, certain predictions were made, in evidenced writings, and its fruition occured - in a non-confusing, open manifestation, and which equivalence has not been encountered or heard of elsewhere. I gave an example. That the fruition came much later, says this had nothing to do with the subject [Abraham], as much as it being a big picture historical prediction, and one which could not have been imagined or contrived or manipulated by the subject person or anyone in his following generations.
Phophetic verses are not simple writings to deciphere, and usually its true import is lost by the uninitiated. This is what I meant by not according to everyone's wish list. True prophesy cannot be a casual or biased, self-serving proclamation, as this would be antithetical of its own premise of coming from a higher source to humanity. We cannot see the big picture, till it becomes retrospective.
Further, I don't see prophesy as an unscientific or illogical premise, because by reductionism, we prophesize all the time. Even our thoughts, which we do not have full control of - some being involuntary and coming from a mysterious place [thus the depiction of a light turning on inside the brain; a gut feeling, etc] - these too are prophesies, but related to the immediate surrounds only. Penicilin was discovered by accident - and humanity would not have survived without it. It is also unscientific and illogical to assume we are responsible for all knowledge which appears to descend into selective human minds - at critically relevent instants - and we shout EUREKA! - not when a simple thought can change the universe.

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