Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy

Hm. So, when we read in Revelation 1:1 that "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John."It doesn't mean that the events described in Revelation "must shortly come to pass?" When God never means what he says, I guess it gives his prophets a lot of wiggle room.I'd suggest 2,000 years is a long time, especially if you believe the universe is only 6,000 years old.I would also point out that "bad things are going to happen to the Jews" has always been a pretty safe prediction as well. One thing you don't want to be is God's chosen people.By the way, I'm one of those people who remembers Hal Lindsey's TV commercials for "The Late Great Planet Earth" in the late 70s. I remember clearly, because I must have seen the stupid commercial a thousand times, how impressed he was with the Bible's predictive powers. I bet I can remember this verbatim:"Two thousand years ago, the Book of Revelation predicted the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise, in its place, of a ten-nation confederacy. This year, the tenth and final nation joined the European Economic Community, thus fulfilling this ancient prophecy."I remember he distinctly said, "tenth AND FINAL nation." How many nations are in the EU now? Twenty-five?Of course, Revelation had predicted no such thing anyway. I assume he was refering to the ten-headed sea monster. As I interpret Revelation, the ten-headed sea monster represents Madonna, who is also the Anti-Christ. Think about it.

No rationalizations. Just applying what it says, Nebudchanezzar and many nations...Nebudchanezzar himself is not many nations. So it is you ignoring the text if you reduce it inexplicably to only Nebudchanezzar and ignore the other two attacks, most notable Alexander. I dont think you will find anyone here or a source to back you up.And you and others ignore the fact the great city of Tyre, the center of the city/state and commerce was not the island fortress and that it was used by Alexander and put into the sea to build the causeway as the prophecy says.And you and others ignore the fact that the city of Tyre fortess, never regained it's former glory as the center of the city/state and center of commerce.And all you really did in your last post is give accusations and conclusions...no debate. You did not respond the to the arguments, evidence and logic with any arguments evidence or logic of your own. Denial is not refutation. It appears the debate about the prophecy of the destruction of the city of Tyre is over. We should then agree to disagree.Good Day and God Bless

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

In 1982, God spoke to me and told me that the Ayatollah Khomeini would overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.As we all know, this prophecy has clearly been fulfilled.

The prophecies in the Book of Revelations did come to pass, within only a few years after it's writing which is now best dated at 66-68 BC (see Gentry 'The Fall of Jerusalem http://www.Freebooks.com')So it wasnt 2000+ years.The prophecies in Daniel, Matthew 24, Revelations etc... commonly seen as being the 'end times' are a misinterpretation of 'the end of the age' meaning the exclusive covenant with the Jews and the opening of the covenant to include the Gentiles. The prophecies you allude to were all fulfilled by 70 AD. There will be no ten nation confederacy, anti-christ, 7 year tribulation (Rev 1:9 "I John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation...") Those were all fulfilled already. The only prophecies left to be fulfilled in the bible are the conversion of the Jews (Rom. 11) and the second coming like a thief in the night (Matt 24:42&3) It doesnt say bad things will happen, it says that within one generations time (widely held to be 40 years, Hal got that small part right!) things in Jerusalem will be uniquely bad, never to be repeated.The bible is not bound by Hal Lindsey's interpretation and neither am I. I believe the pre-millennial eschatology to be a poor interpretation and wrong. If you want to understand the prophecies you are riduculing then study Preterism. I recommend David Chilton's book 'The Days of Vengeance' which is a verse by verse exegesis of Revelations or shorter summary 'The Great Tribulation'. IMO they are the most scholarly works on the prophecies you ridicule in ignorance

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Come on. You're just being stubborn. The scripture clearly says Nebuchadnezzar would be the one to destroy Tyre. The "many nations" are the many nations that Nebu, the "king of kings" in Ezekiel's words, would lead into battle. Nebu was the head of a vast empire, and many tributary nations would be expected to join him in his adventure.

Well don't waste your time arguing with a heathen like me, then. There are an awful lot of very confused Christians out there who are reading Revelation and living in fear of sea monsters. They'll be relieved to know the sea monsters already came and went.So, if Revelation can be interpreted such that it's making predictions about the European Union, but it can also be interpreted such that it only predicted events up to 70 A.D., then I think that illustrates another key to success in prophecy:Make sure your prophecies are open - way open - for interpretation.

Max read my posts on this carefully. I grow weary of repeating myself but I will summarize:It says many nations and Nebudchanezzar, and Nebudchanezzar took the city quickly and easily. Everyone including you who wants to look for a criticism with an apriori eye, mistakenly gets bogged down in the island fortress saga which is not the city, the glory of Tyre of a city state or the center of commerce. And history records that Nebudchanezzar did take the city, just not the island fortress. Alexander scraped the city into the sea to build the causeway to attack the island fortress fulfilling another part of the prohecy, i.e. many nations and scraping the rock bare. And after that Tyre never regained its former status or glory.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

Begging your pardon, but the Revelation of John is dated between 90 and 95 C.E. Ken Gentry is just plain wrong.The place he got his 'TH.D' (if you can call it that), the
Whitefield Theological Seminary, is not an accredited university.No one from the mainstream scholarship thinks that the book of Revelation is from before 70 C.E.Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.

Repeating things over and over again doesn't make it any truer.I would suggest that you read it in context, but I think that your mind is made up.

I agree many Christians looking for Armageddon, the anti-christ, the bombings in Lebanon as the start of Armageddon etc...have been mislead but the problem isnt with the prophecies as you claim. It is with the poor interpretations of them by people like Hal Lindesy. Put the blame where it should be the ignorance of those people.

Actually you dont know that.It's just your opinion, a statement and not even an argument.
A conclusion, where is your support? Why is he wrong. Truth is not subject to a vote. It's not a popularity contest. The scientific method attests to this. One forms a falsifiable hypothesis, tests it to verify or deny the hypothesis which is then submitted for peer review. The popularity of a view is not an indication of the veracity of it but the veracity lies in the strenth of the arguments presented.If Gentry is wrong as you opine, tell us all where and why?

Show where Gentry is right. It is he that is making the claim that is outside the belief of the mainstream.COnsidering the 'quality' of his background,claiming it is true because he said it is known as the logical fallacy of 'appeal to authority'.I don't see how claiming someone who got their degree from a paper mill is more qualified than dozens that got their degrees in a more stringent
educational environment.

First, do we have any reason to believe this "prophecy" in Ezekiel was written before Nebu's siege of Tyre? Nebu and Ezekiel were contemporaries, right? And I'm sure the Chaldean propagandists were painting the king's siege of Tyre as a great success. How do we know Ezekiel wasn't just claiming that God had already told him the news? Who was this Ezekiel character, anyway?Second, whatever Nebu accomplished, he didn't destroy Tyre the way it is depicted in the scripture. He did not reduce Tyre to a "bare rock" and end their noisy music. Even Alexander didn't do that 300 years later.But what's so remarkable about such predictions anyway? You live in Chaldea. You obviously think King Nebu is the coolest guy in the world. He's the King of Kings. He's the Cat's Meow. And he's out there fighting the Pheonicians and the Egyptians and doing God's bloody work. What kind of predictions are you going to make? "Nebu's gonna kick butt! He's gonna ANNIHILATE you, sucker! Oh, you best look out!"So let me ask you this:How many "prophets" were there who got it all just terribly wrong? How many lost texts are there of guys who shot off their mouths and missed by a mile? Not much reason to keep copying the Book of Melvin, the prophet who predicted Israel would rise up and conquer Persia and Egypt on the wings of giant seven-headed sparrows."Hey, didn't Nebuchadnezzar give Tyre a real working over? Yeah, he did, didn't he? I remember reading about that. So go ahead and make another copy of Ezekiel there. Toss the Melvin."

1) I recommended to everyone to review Gentry's work which is not the appeal to authority fallacy. His reasoning is sound.2) You engage in the Ad Hoc/Ad Hominem with the paper-mill accusation. Seminaries are not paper mills. You just have a bias that Christian Scholars are wrong.3) You made the accusation against Gentry you have the burden of proof. I merely recommended people review his work to see his reasoning and decide for themselves.4) I will try to summarize his thesis but not today...plus it is off topic this is the Lebanon in End Time Prophecy...maybe we should continue this in another thread.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

The wording of the prophecy has been fulfilled. Alexander did use the ruins of the city to build the causeway out to the island fortress using the city fulfilling the wording of 'many nations will attack... and scrape the rock bare' (paraphrase mine)And read your history, Nebudchanezzar took the city easily and quickly in 585. The prophecy does not say that Nebudchanezzar will break and destroy the walls and scrape the city bare but many nations will. The part including Nebudchanezzar is separate from that part of the prophecy.Everyone keeps making the same mistakes. The island fortess is the city (wrong). The island fortess wasnt scraped bare (wasnt supposed to be). Only Nebudchanezzar is to do it (wrong many nations were to do it not Nebudchanezzar). Nebudchanezzar didnt take the island fortess (wasnt supposed to).We aren't debating anymore and I am repeating myself. We are now dealing with your will as you do not present arguments but unsupported opinions and glib. I do appreciate a sense of humor but it is misapplied here. Unless someone has a new argument to present about Tyre I think my case has been made even if you disagree You tell me it's your assertion that there are prophets who got it wrong and lost texts. Don't just present your assertions as if they are just common knowledge and if anyone disagrees with you there is something wrong with them as you do. This is a debate forum...present your case. You have the burden of proof to back up your assertions.In answer to your glib question. None. Not one single biblical prophecy has failed.

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"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"