The Bible's Flat Earth

Daniel was interpreting a dream of the king. Obviously this was metaphoric. This is a looong stretch on your part. We all know how ridiculous dreams can get. LOL. All this is depicting is the fact that the earth is designed and shaped according to the design intended for it. The topography of it is irrelevant for the purpose of the analogy. The devil never physically took Jesus anywhere. Obviously a man standing anywhere on the earth could not see physically with his eyes all of the kingdoms of the earth whether it was flat or spherical. That the temptations were visions is further evidenced by the fact that a man and the devil are not going to be standing physically on the pinnacle of the temple. This was a visionary event. This is nothing but a bare assertion, having no evidence. This is not clearly a solid domed sky. Obviously you're not savvy to Biblical speak. You, like other skeptics metaphorize texts which are clearly not meant to be and cite intentionally abstract texts to falsify the scriptures.As in abstract poetry and other literature, sometimes abstract phraseology is used by notable authors.Job also says: (ASV) This is just a sampling. Numerous other examples of obvious abstract phraseology could be cited.There is obvious abstract wording in the Bible when the occasion calls for it. This is one of the aspects of the Bible for which it has been highly regarded in academia as a good example of literature, that is, until the Biblifobic bug infected academia. I fail to see correlation to a flat earth here. As for the waters, we know that there is water in the atmosphere. What's the deal? Likely, because it isn't flat. There is a word for flat in Hebrew, but no word for sphere. Circle (as per Isaiah) works relative to context.In Job 26:7, "....he hangeth the earth upon nothing." (ASV) So the foundation thing which you cited simply means it's location is established.Consider this: The Bible says there was a world wide flood covering the whole earth. On a sphere, this could apply, but not feasable on a flat earth. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix wordEdited by Buzsaw, : So designated. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fixed a typo messup caused by a previous edit.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Mmm, sounds a lot like this, relative to the apocalyptic last days:Isaiah 24:20a: For the purpose of this thread, the wording in this text would apply more to a planet in orbit than to a flat platform on literal foundations.Perhaps the earth's orbit will be suddenly adjusted to usher in the messianic millenium in which, according to the prophets, will be similar to what it was pre-flood. According to those prophecies, the world will be a different planet for that event. To go into this indepth would require a new topic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Well, it certainly doesn't imply the sort of foundations that you have been calling for, Granny. It's implication is that those foundations are as we have been advocating, i.e. a planet foundational in orbit.2. How did the East, South, North and West become established? The Middle East is established. Why was the Middle East not the Middle West? Because something or someone established these directional corners of the earth. The Middle East is cornered/established/located in just one area of the earth. That's all that word/term corner is referring to in the Bible. In context of the other scriptures, that is what makes sense.That term, corner is used in the commodity market, for example. It does not mean the market has physical corners, but that one has a given market under one's control in one's portfolio. Again, don't require more of the scriptures more than is required in other areas of terminologies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

As has been cited, the Hebrew has a word for flat but not for sphere. Circle, meaning circle or sphere is the term used relative to the earth. The context is what determines whether it is a circle or a sphere. Of course, God, who inspired the wording, knew the earth was a sphere.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Perhaps you should read more carefully before posting these false allegations, Coragyps.This is what I said. Embolden added for emphasis:Buzsaw said: I'm aware of only one Hebrew text using the word for ball and that does not apply to earth. The word circle was more appropriate to the context in which it was used in Isaiah. The intent of the wording was to depict the shape of the earth which was circular as in curvature. The word ball would not have fit the ticket for that particular text. For example, one would not say "the ball of the earth" to depict the curvature or shape of the earth. One would say that the earth was curved or circular. If the context had been "the earth was a ball," that might have been the word instead of "the earth was a circle." The context wording was "the circle of the earth," which would be the more suitable for depicting curvature.And guess what. The word curvature/curve is not in the Hebrew either. The word would be circle/circular.People are forgetting that the Hebrew vocabulary used a third or so as many words as our English, so context was relative to application.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The Online Dictionary definition of corner substantiates that the Biblical term corner need not refer to geometric angular corners.Note the emboldened definitions (embolding mine for emphasis) which support our claims.This is just another example of how Biblifobic skeptics of the Biblical record exact upon the Biblical record what they do not exact on other literature or upon themselves in debating the issues.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Where it originated is no more relative than any other idiomatic expression. What is relative is that it is an acceptable idiom. It has not been established that it is more acceptable idiomatically today than it was in Isaiah's day. Why should it's idiomatic application make any more sense today to us than it did to them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. There is considerably more evidence of the veracity of the Biblical record than the religions of the nations under paganism relative to archeology, fulfilled prophecy, social issues, prosperity and historical data.2. As for the corner/circle texts, the circle text implies that the corner text was idiomatic.3. That there is corroborating evidence of the veracity of the Biblical record supports my point that God who inspired the scriptures knew that the planet was spherical.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I have both Hebrew and Greek interlinear texts which I use regularly for reference, as well as unabridged Cruden's and Strong's Concordances. Though I am not a Hebrew or Greek scholar, I know some things about the ancient Hebrew and the Greek. I stated that there are around three times as many words in the English language than the Hebrew. Speaking of reading posts, did you bother to read or consider that post?2. Does Kanaph have multiple meanings? I answered that if you had been reading me and others objectively and thoughtfully.Of necessity, in translating the Hebrew, due to the limited vocabulary, many Hebrew words have multiple meanings which must be understood and translated relative to context. A good example of this are the English terms, sphere/spherical, ball, circle/circular and curve/curvature. (Note, relative to ball, that nothing is said to be ballical or ballular, so relative to the shape of the planet, ball doesn't fit the ticket for circle/circular or sphere/spherical. Thus circle was used by the prophet Isaiah to describe the curvature of the earth.Interestingly, my Hebrew/English interlinear's rendering of Isaiah 11:12 is wings of the earth. Though the interlinear renders the nearest English equivalent to the text. i.e. wings, the translators have, for the most part, selected to use the word corner for this text as well as other similar texts. Why? Imo, it is indicative that the terms wings and corner pertaining to this text are idiomatic terms depicting the far reaches of the planet. Perhaps the translators figured the corner word would be more readily understood by English speaking readers.Likely nobody here wants to argue that the Bible claims that the earth flies in the cosmos flapping four wings, all flapping in different directions any more than that they would argue that the wings of the White House or a school building are flapping appendages suitable to flying. Yes, good advice, Theodoric. After carefully reading, if you think you have a case, go for it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Shal.....bobbi. My, how gracious of you! Thanks, but my GI benefits finally kicked in a few years ago. I joined the Air Force back in March of 1954, missing out on the education bill by a month. They included us decades later. Mmm, having read and debated ideologies of educated folks here for the past six years, I'm understanding how providential it was that I missed the freebee higher education.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

It was prophesied by the prophet Daniel that travel and knowledge would increase in the end time of the age. God revealed to the nations what they needed to know. There comes a time for understanding relative to end time prophecies and other scripture so as for the readers of the scriptures to know the signs of the times. Our knowledge relative to fulfilled prophecy and things pertaining to science etc, has significantly increased since the industrial revolution and particularly since the nation of Israel (messianic) was restored.Daniel 12:4:

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

How to you equate with What? You can't figure that out? Wings = idiomatic area terminology. corners = idiomatic area terminology. Savvy?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I believe Isaiah and many others figured it was spherical, though we can't verify that. Observation of the crescent phases of the moon etc may have enhanced their understanding to some degree that the bodies were spherical. Perhaps some near the seas watched the ships sinking into the horizon and observed the curvature. Likely they knew more than we give them credit for.As it is today, Perhaps it was the pagan ideologies which originated and promoted the notion of a flat earth.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Kuresu, Did you read this paragraph in my message 64, stating the reasons circle would likely be used by Isaiah in the context of his message if he knew the earth was a sphere? Likely he was writing of the circular shape of the earth, i.e. the curvature. I neglected to state also that there is not only no Hebrew sphere/spherical but also no Hebrew curve/curvature. Thus in order to describe the curvature of the earth, the best choice of words would have been circle to depict the curvature of the earth. One would not refer to the earth as ballular, but it would be referred to as circular, depicting the curvature of a sphere since there was not sphere word.Admittedly, this does not necessarily prove that he thought the earth was a sphere, but it does refute the argument that his usage of circle had to mean it was flat or a dome and not a sphere.Buzsaw said in 64:

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an intelligent mature adult person in ancient times. I believe I would look at the moon and the sun and assume that the stars and all bodies in the cosmos would be spherical. It would not be (abe:likely) for thin discs to be positioned exactly parallel to the face of the earth (abe: and to each other. Nor would it be as likely for a flat disc to be fiery hot as it would be for a sphere.) It would be more logical to think that they were spherical and that the earth would be shaped like they were. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted. Edited by Buzsaw, : First edit did not post the whole message so I had to resubmit it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.