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Message 155 of 230 (494944)
01-20-2009 7:34 AM
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01-20-2009 5:02 AM


Re: Accuracy vs. Inerrancy
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Let me turn this around a little. In an archaeological context, what would you expect to find in Egypt if a nation of 2-3 million had been living there for centuries and then just up and left one day?
Brian, to put this in context do you have a decent estimate of the population of Egypt at the most likely times ? The only one I could find was 5 million. If that's about right, then once we've counted losses due to the plagues, we're talking about a loss of something like half the population.

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Message 158 of 230 (495044)
01-20-2009 2:28 PM
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01-20-2009 9:33 AM


Re: Egypt population
If the entire pre-Plague population was 2.1 million, losing 2 million people with no sign that it happened is completely stupid !

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Message 199 of 230 (513922)
07-02-2009 1:16 PM
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07-02-2009 12:25 PM


Re: Gen. 2.5
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What we may need to consider is that although the creation of Adam immediately follows the 'no man to work the ground' text, Adam does not appear to be specifically created to work the ground, it isn't until after the Fall that Yahweh tells Adam that he will have to till the land.
I disagree, Brian. Adam was created to look after the garden planted in Genesis 2:8-9, as stated in Genesis 2:15.
15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
(NASB)
However, if Adam was not the first man we do have to ask why God needed to create a man (2:7) and a woman (2:21-22) and it makes the whole business about looking for a helper amongst the animals even more bizarre (2:18-20).

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Message 206 of 230 (514139)
07-04-2009 4:56 AM
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07-03-2009 3:41 PM


Re: Gen. 2.5
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However, on thinking about it, I don't think it is really that clear why Adam was created. Gen 2:7-8 has Adam created before the Garden of Eden, but I don't think it specifically says that Adam was created to look after the GofE, although he was given that job. I need to think a bit more about this.
I think that the implication is pretty clear. 2.5 sets the scene by saying that plants won't grow because a man is needed to work the soil. Then God creates a man, plants a garden and sets the man to work the soil there. There is no other reason given, even by implication.
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Well, I think we have mentioned this before, there is a Jewish myth (Lillith) that claims that Eve was not the first woman, and there does seem to be some textual back up for this.
I've heard of that, but it's not in the text. And it doesn't make the story much less bizarre, even if Lilith was created before naming the animals.

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Message 208 of 230 (514277)
07-05-2009 5:03 PM
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07-05-2009 4:28 PM


Re: Gen. 2.5
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By the way, there are two reasons for plants of the field not growing. 1) no man to work the land and 2)no rain. It more seems that God made the garden to take care of man.
How on earth do you get that reading ? There's nothing to imply it in Genesis 2. It's not as daft as your reading of "generations" but it's certainly odd.
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He did give the man the Job, but doesn't say he made man to take care of the garden.
As I stated, it is strongly implied.

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Message 210 of 230 (514279)
07-05-2009 6:46 PM
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07-05-2009 5:54 PM


Re: Gen. 2.5
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no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground.
It seemed quite obvious.
It's quite obvious that the focus is on the plants - the plants require man, thus man is created. To take it the way you want it, it should focus on man, and man's need for the plants. Which it doesn't.
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Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the groundtrees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food.
it is strongly implied that He made the garden to take care of the man.
No, it is implied weakly at best - and overridden by the far clearer and stronger implication that man was created to look after the garden.
No, it isn't. Anybody capable of reading English should see that.

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