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Author Topic:   Why, if god limited man's life to 120 years, did people live longer?
John Williams
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Message 211 of 230 (527749)
10-02-2009 2:14 PM


120 year lifespan
I think that the 120 year limit may have been some sort of scribal insertion, maybe because Moses lived 120 years? Just a thought.

110 or 120 was the ideal lifespan of the ancient Egyptians. Ramesses the great was 91.


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Message 212 of 230 (528197)
10-05-2009 6:22 AM


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John Williams
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Message 213 of 230 (528344)
10-05-2009 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by vikas11
10-05-2009 6:22 AM


Re: Holidays in spain
I think the topic was old people in the Bible...

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anthonylau 
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Message 214 of 230 (557254)
04-24-2010 1:03 AM


spam deletion

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hawkes nightmare
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Message 215 of 230 (557336)
04-24-2010 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by John Williams
10-02-2009 2:14 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
before the Flood, there was a mist instead of rain, which doubled as a protection from UV rays. people lived longer due to this, coupled with a diet of fruits and vegetables. ater the Flood, the mist went away and the world then relied on rain, the UV rays were given free reign and people died earlier due to radiation over their lifespan. that's why the people that live inside live longer.


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Apothecus
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Message 216 of 230 (557342)
04-24-2010 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by hawkes nightmare
04-24-2010 5:38 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
before the Flood, there was a mist instead of rain, which doubled as a protection from UV rays. people lived longer due to this, coupled with a diet of fruits and vegetables. ater the Flood, the mist went away and the world then relied on rain, the UV rays were given free reign and people died earlier due to radiation over their lifespan. that's why the people that live inside live longer.

You do realize you all but resurrected this one, no?

But as long as we're here, I suppose it's too much to ask that you provide evidence for your bald assertions?

Thanks.


"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Flyer75
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Message 217 of 230 (557345)
04-24-2010 6:20 PM


Actually, the spammer resurrected the thread....inadvertently I'm sure.

But while I'm here, I only read the first page, I'm not going to go back and read the other 14 pages unless this gets heated again. From my understanding of Scripture, the OP took the verse way out of context. The context is Gen 6 and the pending flood. Most conservative scholars agree that it took Noah 115-120 years to build the ark, thus, man's days had been numbered by God until the flood occurred. I believe someone touched on this on the first page. It has nothing to do with how long someone lives today.


    
hawkes nightmare
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Message 218 of 230 (557447)
04-25-2010 7:41 PM
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04-24-2010 6:04 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
i wouldn't be surprised if you woke up bald tomorrow. here is your evidence to my "bald assertions".
http://www.arksearch.com/nabefore.htm
so, my name is the spammer now? now you have lowered my self esteem to cutting edge, if you know what i mean.

Edited by hawkes nightmare, : No reason given.


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nwr
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Message 219 of 230 (557450)
04-25-2010 8:14 PM
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04-25-2010 7:41 PM


Off topic comment
hawkes nightmare writes:
so, my name is the spammer now?

I don't think anybody has called you a spammer.

There was an actual spammer who entered this thread at Message 214. That brought this thread back to the "Recent Topics List".


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Coragyps
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Message 220 of 230 (557452)
04-25-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by hawkes nightmare
04-24-2010 5:38 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
there was a mist instead of rain, which doubled as a protection from UV rays.

Would you care to address how water did that, as it is transparent further into the ultraviolet than either nitrogen or oxygen are? I don't see mention of that on your link. Now your link does mention Venus, but fails to mention that it's over 800 degrees F there, all the time.

And nobody called you a spammer. Anthonylau was the spammer.


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AdminSlev
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Message 221 of 230 (557534)
04-26-2010 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by hawkes nightmare
04-25-2010 7:41 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
Hi hawkes nightmare,

One of the forum guideline reads as follows:

Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

This is in order that people put the time and effort into their posts, so that the discussion does not become only replies to one another with bare links. Try to follow this guideline svp


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DPowell
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Message 222 of 230 (557756)
04-27-2010 7:41 PM


What is most interesting to consider about the 120-year age limit is not what is found in old testament genealogies and chronologies. Go look at the world around you. Who is the oldest person in the world at this time? Who is the oldest person upon death in modern times? Here is a quick link to get started if you wish (no, not authoritative of course):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people

The Genesis account was written approx. 3,000 years ago. We live in a very different world now. People are living longer than at any point in history since the early Genesis records. And yet, one person is listed as having lived past 120 (if you really, really want to count 122 as *past* "120 years"). What is more interesting is that the one who lived this long (and I think birth records from this far back could be in dispute) was in fact not a "man," whom God said he would not contend with forever, but a "woman." The oldest man found on the list is *disputed* as having lived 120 years...probably less. This is all very interesting to me.


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killinghurts
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Message 223 of 230 (561861)
05-23-2010 11:08 PM
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04-27-2010 7:41 PM


"DPowell" writes:

People are living longer than at any point in history since the early Genesis records. And yet, one person is listed as having lived past 120 (if you really, really want to count 122 as *past* "120 years")

Mind explaining what else could you 'count it' as?

"DPowell" writes:

What is more interesting is that the one who lived this long (and I think birth records from this far back could be in dispute) was in fact not a "man," whom God said he would not contend with forever, but a "woman."

You claim there a different age limit for women... so, where in the bible is this stated? If it is not stated, under what context can you assert that when the bible passage says "Man" it does not mean both man and women?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 224 of 230 (561898)
05-24-2010 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by hawkes nightmare
04-24-2010 5:38 PM


Re: 120 year lifespan
before the Flood, there was a mist instead of rain, which doubled as a protection from UV rays. people lived longer due to this, coupled with a diet of fruits and vegetables. ater the Flood, the mist went away and the world then relied on rain, the UV rays were given free reign and people died earlier due to radiation over their lifespan. that's why the people that live inside live longer.

So then by this rationale we can conclude that no one drank water, yet it was somehow more healthy. This is interesting because even people who live in rainforests, where a canopy of trees block out radiation, and where mist persists nearly year round, not only do they have to drink water like everyone else, and live on a mostly vegan diet, not only is their lifespan nowhere near hundreds or thousands of years old, but it's averaged at about a quarter less than what it is in developed nations.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you're talking out of your ass.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


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Jzyehoshua
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Message 225 of 230 (564809)
06-12-2010 8:51 PM


NOT CONTRADICTION
The verse says:

quote:

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

God did not say this would begin immediately, indeed there was a clear transition period. According to the genealogies, as has been noted, people began dramatically living shorter and shorter lives. Some Creationists have suggested a water canopy provided the environment for sturdier bodies and better environmental conditions, and it seems the human body drastically changed after the flood to make this possible, going through who knows what dramatic changes to become less sturdy and more susceptible to death.

Whatever the reason, this does not appear at all a contradiction. The longest I've ever heard of someone living was 121 years so this is a very accurate statement. For another interestingly accurate statement long before Gallup, the Bible even said the average lifespan would be 70 years.

quote:

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

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