Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?

I'm sorry if I'm making another silly topic filled with my silly questions again. I just don't know where to ask these... I'd appreciately muchly if someone would paste a link in case my questions here have already been answered in other threads.I'm confused again, as always (my genetic defect). In the bible, did the dinosaurs live alongside the other land animals upon "creation" including the mammals and Adam and Eve? If not, did they become extinct before the humans were "created"? Ummm, can that be the case? It's just, I thought nothing can die because Adam and Eve have not sinned yet.In case they started dying off after the two first humans became sinners as was told by "God" that all creatures would now start to die after periods of time, would it mean that the scientific way of dating fossils which suggests that the dinosaurs were all wiped out 65-70 million years ago before any human types of fossils can ever be found is wrong? I'm not certain how old in the time table is the oldest human fossil ever found.If they survived alongside Adam and Eve and didn't become extinct up until the bible's great flood, did Noah pair them together to fit in his boat or did he leave them to drown because they were too big?In case the dinosaurs lived alongside the mammals we know of today, did they also hunt our known animals like the gazelles and zebras?-------
Oooppss... I made a mistake with the Title... Where should have been Were.This message has been edited by Tel Rinsiel, 08-11-2004 07:49 PM

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Most Christians would say no, there were no dinosaurs in the Bible. But most Christians don't believe that the Genesis Creation story was ever meant to be taken literally anyway. Most Christians support the Theory of Evolution and would agree that the dinosaurs died off long before even the first primates.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't know, jar. Most christians that I have talked to do not have a clue how the hell evolution works. This is strictly from my limited experiences, of course.

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The Laminator
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Many individuals don't understand evolution. But the religions certainly do and the educated priests and clergy certainly do. The vast majority of Christian education institutes teach evolution as well.For the vast majority of Christian faiths support Evolution and have publicly come out in opposition of teaching Creationism.One more time, if it's okay, let me list some of the Religious groups in the US that support Evolution and oppose Creationism.

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Religions Supporting Evolution

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These churches and religious organizations have come out in opposition to teaching creationism in school:

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* American Jewish Congress
* American Scientific Affiliation
* Center For Theology And The Natural Sciences
* Central Conference Of American Rabbis
* Episcopal Bishop Of Atlanta, Pastoral Letter
* The General Convention Of The Episcopal Church
* Lexington Alliance Of Religious Leaders
* The Lutheran World Federation
* Roman Catholic Church
* Unitarian Universalist Association
* United Church Board For Homeland Ministries
* United Methodist Church
* United Presbyterian Church In The U.S.A.

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But then many Christians I've met don't have a clue about Christianity either.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I wasn't talking about religous organizations. I was talking about individuals. Most christian individuals I've talked to accept wholeheartedly the creation account as being literal. Most christians individuals I have talked to are completely against the theory of evolution even though they haven't got a clue.In fact, I once attended a catholic mass in Kentucky where the priest was flaming about how "evil" the scientific method was and how "evil" evolutionists were. He said that people shouldn't try to use (and I quote) "the brain" to figure out god's will, since god is beyond any human comprehension.I understand that, officially, the majority of the main christian denominations out there accept evolution. I'm just not so sure about the followers of those religions.

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The Laminator
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Hi Tel. Welcome! If you go back about a month you will find a thread, WHY ARE THERE VENEMOUS SNAKES. The following is my message 11 on that thread in which I offer my reasons for believing dinosaurs were in the garden and the parent dinosaurs could have survived throughout the earth until the flood. Also I don't believe they were on the ark. If you read the exchanges after my post 11 with others, you will see how I think on this subject.

I think we can say with pretty good confidence that there weren't any dinosaurs in the bible times.

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Hi Tel. Welcome! If you go back about a month you will find a thread, WHY ARE THERE VENEMOUS SNAKES. The following is my message 11 on that thread in which I offer my reasons for believing dinosaurs were in the garden and the parent dinosaurs could have survived throughout the earth until the flood. Also I don't believe they were on the ark. If you read the exchanges after my post 11 with others, you will see how I think on this subject.
Perhaps the Biblical answer lies in the details of the curse upon the serpents in Genesis 3: 15, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel."
The serpent was radically changed at the fall, according to the Genesis account. The clear implication is that the prefallen ones had longer legs and were walking and possibly flying creatures. Imo, the prefallen serpents were the dinosaurs whose offspring became snakes, lizzards, allegators, etc. They are all of the serpent family. Likely two not mentioned results were diminished intelligence and poisonous venom. The serpents were the most intelligent of the animal kingdom at creation according to the account. A lot happened at this catastrophy of the fall, including thorny plants and so forth. I believe some plants became poisonous as well.

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I do not agree with most creationists such as ICR who believe and teach that dinosaurs were in Noah's ark. I do believe however, that the parent prefallen dinosaurs lived very long lives and many survived until the flood which would have been about 1500 years since many humans lived nearly a thousand years.

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Thanks for the welcome. But... what about scientists' way of dating the fossils of dinosaurs? Scientists say that there were mass extinctions of dinosaur species around 65-70 million years ago. Have we really found human bones that date as far back as that? If the answer would be that some of them could have died off before Adam and Eve were "created", it would still pose a problem since none of "God's" creations can die yet before Adam and Eve disobeyed "God".This message has been edited by Tel Rinsiel, 08-12-2004 04:38 AM

that what happens when you go to the states - Christians in the UK would think you were off your rocker if you tried to tell then that dinosaurs roamed the earth a few thousand years ago.

Do most non-christians know how it works?? However, Most christians accept that the story of gensesis is allegory, and not literal.

I dont know why or how I missed that. I had this thought a long time ago and decided, that there were poisonous kinds because, (not ","because") their ancestors ate electric fish. I decided that, by trying to look at the geometric relations of the muscles in snakes around their ribs and seeing something that wasnt accounted for, (I) explained the morphogeny by electromotive force on biologically closed electric circuits, (but) this *is* such a personal view I have not expressed it here before, as it seems likely mere fantasy moer likely to yous all than arithmetical fact it was to me. LPWILLIAMS gave me an F for somesuchcriticism of me in the past.I dont care how that is taken at this time.This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 08-12-2004 02:07 PM

I'm going to assume that you meant non-religious people. In that case, most non-religious people I have talked to do not give a rat's ass regarding the issue. Most christians that I have talked are clueless. The difference is the christians are the ones that always try to give their ignorant opinions as facts.If we are talking about non-christian religious people, they are even more clueless than their christian brothers.What I'm trying to get at is that many atheists I have talked to at least either try to sound like they know what they're talking about or admit their ignorance. That, I think, is something that most christians seem to lack.

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The Laminator
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For once, I actually understood what you were trying to say. Keep up your good work!

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The Laminator
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I believe there was a terrarium canopy over the earth before the flood and elements in the atmosphere and so forth were so much different then that dating methods show things to be much older than in actuality. I also believe much of what was created was created with the appearance of age. To go into all this and debate it is another issue but that's my position which I certainly cannot prove but don't think it can be proven to be bogus either. Obviously man, the animals and things like the sun and moon were created with the appearance of age, if indeed they were created and that applies to the earth, many rocks, gems, etc as well.