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purpledawn
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Message 76 of 78 (339497)
08-12-2006 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 2:37 PM


Re: Faith and Belief
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You feel that you don't have sufficient reason to base a belief on God, but i do. So, there are only two options at work here. Either I'm totally incorrect in my assessment about God, or you have yet to find Him.
Not sure why you've made the assumption that I don't have a personal relationship with God, but God has always been a part of my life.
I think part of why I started this thread is to take a closer look at Christian catch phrases. People say them, but the meanings are varied. Just like the list I gave in Message 1. How do any of those deal with trust and what are people today supposedly trusting? Also see Message 6, which brings out a little more of what I was thinking.
So you agree that there has to be something to trust.
Taking what you personally have seen and heard concerning God or Jesus, how does that trust lead to the meanings in Message 1?
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That's why its important in understanding how the Bible came about, the impossible odds for mere humans to 'invent' what is actually written. You see, most people claim to have read the Bible, but most really haven't.
I do understand how the Bible came about and I have read it, many times.
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Seeing isn't always believing. Case in point, some people see the intricacy of God in the cosmos while others see capricious disorder.
That's believing is seeing.
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The Being of God, if God exists, would concievably be inconvieable!
Why would God be inconceivable? If God was inconceivable, then writings concerning God wouldn't exist.
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No they don't. He could have ulterior motives for al you know. It takes a level of trust and faith for you to understand that love.
The words and the actions need to be consistent or in agreement. If my husband's actions are contrary to his words or vice versa, it is cause for closer examination before trust is given.
Example: A man says he loves me and showers me with gifts, but he doesn't spend time with me or do things that I enjoy besides what he enjoys. He says all the right things, but his behavior doesn't reflect what he is saying. This person I am wary of.
Now we have a man who says he loves me, but joins me in events that I enjoy and remembers what type of pizza I like. I may not get presents, but I have his presence. This is a man who loves me and wants to be with me, not just have me. His behavior reflects his love. This person I trust and love.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Legend
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Message 77 of 78 (339635)
08-12-2006 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Hyroglyphx
08-10-2006 9:25 PM


Re: The completeness of faith
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
That is, an informed faith. An informed faith is based on merit, not suppositions. There is logic behind the faith, not some blind allegiance towards nothing at all.
sounds good, go on!
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
I mean, during my days as a pagan, if someone simply randomly walked up to me and said, "Believe in Jesus because He's the Son of God and He'll save your soul," I would seriously consider the man or woman to be delusional to expect me to believe that on blind faith without some sort of corroboration.
I'm right behind ya (in a good way ofcourse).
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
It took me many years of investigation and prayer for personal revelation to come to know by an informed faith that Jesus is indeed the Son of God and that He holds the key to my salvation.
um....excuse me? You prayed ? but I thought you said you didn't believe in the first place. You were a pagan. Who did you pray to, Mother Earth ?
You didn't by any chance pray to the Biblical God to help you determine whether Jesus was indeed his son (as stated in the Bible by said God) ?!
you call this 'informed faith' ??
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
If I were to flippantly believe for no apparent reason, then my faith is unjustified
but that's exactly what you did! you flippantly decided that the Bible is true, therefore the God described within is true so you prayed to him in order to confirm that the Bible is true.
..and he -suprise, suprise- did!
wow, 'informed faith' in action!

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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oblivionlord
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Message 78 of 78 (341049)
08-18-2006 10:35 AM


Even pigs can fly if one believes in it heavily enough.

  
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