Yaro's 'Logical fallacies' discussion...

A little ammunition for ya, Yaro; the word that is being translated as "lie" in DT. 28 is "shakab". Shakab does literally mean "to lie down", but it almost always is used in a sexual connotation. In connection with "taphas" ("take hold", "grab", etc) in reference to the virgin ("bathuwalah"), there would be no doubt in any Hebrew speaker's mind that this is a reference to rape.Additionally, Joralex, if you start trying to claim that it's a woman's fault that she got raped because she "didn't scream loud enough", I'm going to have to strongly resist the urge to hunt you down and smack you upside the head. Someone I was very close to was raped at age 14. You try telling a 14 year old with a knife to her throat to scream......------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

She wasin a f***ing city - walking home from a friend's house. It's not "akin to being in a field" - she was *In A City*. For God's sake, are you so inhuman that you don't care that a 14 year old girl was raped, and consider anyone who gives a sh** to be an "irrational pro-feminist"????Excuse me, but F*** You.! Ok?(my apologies to the admins.. if this were in person, he probably wouldn't still be standing... I cannot even begin to comprehend people who try to excuse rape, it just drives me mad)------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Joralex - I have a question for you.Have you ever seen anyone have a flashback to being raped?------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

I probably should leave this thread... it's not good for me to be here. There's too much emotion, and not a strong enough medium to express it... I should go if I want to have a shot at getting to sleep tonight. She was more than just a friend... she was my partner, years ago. She was the sweetest thing... I just can't imagine that happening to her, and it hurts to even picture it... and when a someone like Joralex comes in here and tries to justify it as it somehow being her fault...Anyway, I should go.------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."