That's where you need to do some studying, Yaro. Ever heard of a 'patriarcal society'? By "cutting off" the males the entire line of that society was extinguished forever - spiritually this was necessary because of their spiritual vileness. Same with women that had known men of that society - the spiritual connection had to be broken. BTW - I fully realize that this means nothing (rational) to a materialistic Naturalis
Ever hear of Genocide?! Why dosn't this mean anything to you? Ethnic cleansing is a vile crime, Im sure you wouldn't condone today. Was the situation in Kosovo ok? Isreal?
Give me a break! What kind of an argument is this?
I would apreciate it if you didn't label me, if I were Hindu, I would find this story detstable simply on the grounds of godly mandated pacifisim.
I am neither, I am totaly Agnostic if you must know. I simply don't belive that the Hebrew God is the one true God. He dosn't reaveal himself to me as such.
Yaro, the bottom line is that you appear to be seeking some answers but you are going about it the wrong way. Specifically, you seem already decided that God ISN'T what the Bible says He is and you are on a 'holy mission' to prove it. Try being on a 'holy mission' to see it as the Bible says and everything will fall into place.
I agree... this is the bottom line, and where most of my points of contention originate from.
I would say not that I am on a Holy mission to say that God Isn't what the bible says, Im actually pointing out what he IS, not what you THINK he is.
Let me put it to you this way, if the God in the bible is the God you say he is (all loving, just, mercifull). Then why isn't it evidenced in his actions?
If his actions do not demonstrate these qualities, why should I worship him?
It seems that the only reason to be on his side, would be only one: Fear of Hell. He does no good in these stories, hes a homocidal meglomaniac by any depiction, so why else would I wan't to worship him?
It would be tantamount to sucking up to an evil dictator just so he wont smite you. Why on earth would I wan't this guy as my God? He let people get raped.
And sir, Im sorry, but simply saying "it dosn't say rape" is not an argument. If you are forced to be someones 'wife', the conotations of that are non-consensual sex or otherwise.
Let me put it this way : if you're right, then hundreds of thousands / millions of Bible scholars/Christians have been worshipping a 'false God' - a God that is the opposite of what He has said in His Word. Such a (contrary) God makes absolutely no sense in light of the ordered, rational universe that we inhabit. Therefore, either He doesn't exist or your (contrary) 'god' doesn't exist. Since God clearly exists (by the abundance of evidence this is supported) then it must be your (contrary) 'god' that doesn't exist.
This is a non-argument. What evidence? Thousands of theologians and scholars belive in vishnu, and or Budah. Others don't belive in Gods at all. This is not a valid point.
It isn't beside the point. If what you are trying to do is learn how to read Scripture correctly then you need to start learning to see things in a 'spiritual' way and not with your own (flesh) understanding.
This is an interesting argument. Why is it, that when I read these stories, I get disgusted? Im not makeing my disgust up ya know, deep down in my heart, I know killing babies is wrong.
Spirtually, I would not be capable of dashing a baby against a rock. Sorry, that's not in my soul. Please forgive me if my heart isn't with the 'richiusness' in these particular bible passages.
There is no "evil" in a command from God. You are trying to judge an action of God using your own understanding. That will get you nowhere... fast!
This is the crux of your whole argument. The sticking point of the debate. If God says it, it can't be wrong.
Well heck, God says kill a babie, rape a virgin... oops sorry, force her to mary you after killing her family... It's ok. He made the rules, so he can break them right?
So if he says he is all loving, then telling people to kill babies is a loving act. If he is all loving then raping people is a loving act.
He is sending them to be raped because he loves them. Just like he's sending the majority of the human race to hell, because he loves them.
Have you ever stoped to consider, that perhapse to a non-beliver this sounds ludacriss? And it also makes it impossible for one such as me to belive. Because it requires me to accept, what I know, in the depths of my heart isn't right!
If I can't read the bible, and see God's love, can't see the reason, how on earth am I gonna be 'saved'?
I mean, here is the document, and to any person who isn't already a beliver, it dson't make sense, and the only way to make it make sense is to belive it makes sense. This sounds delusional to me.
Im sorry to say this, but this argument will not go anywhere. It's ultimate conclusion is: If God says to rape someone, or murder a babie, it is a just and good thing, and God is doing it out of love. And this is true because it was presupposed.
And to me, this makes no sense.
[This message has been edited by Yaro, 09-21-2003]
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