Reconstructing the Historical Jesus

Message 187 of 560 (617216) 05-26-2011 4:28 PM

Reply to: Message 184 by PaulK 05-26-2011 4:03 PM

Well, billions of people follow this fella's teachings, there is an entire religion based on it, wars were fought in his name, people died for this fella. You'd think that maybe, just maybe, someone around his era (perhaps when they were writing the story) would have bothered to corroborate the story in the event he actually existed. I mean, he was seemingly an important figure very shortly after his death, if not during his lifetime. He isn't touted as some random nobody.

Message 189 of 560 (617218) 05-26-2011 4:45 PM

Reply to: Message 188 by PaulK 05-26-2011 4:39 PM

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It would appear that individuals who are trying to start a new religion, who were writing a book about this fella, a book that is meant as an addition to the existing book, would find some sort of evidence corroborating his worth.

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Message 200 of 560 (617233) 05-26-2011 6:21 PM

Reply to: Message 191 by PaulK 05-26-2011 4:49 PM

We as skeptics are expected to buy into the fact that jesus was some random nobody in his day, warranting no record of his existence, yet he is the son of the most powerful being in all existence or god himself depending on which flavor xtian you ask.

Message 337 of 560 (620578) 06-17-2011 8:51 PM

Reply to: Message 333 by PaulK 06-17-2011 5:29 PM

How can you argue for a historical jesus and NOT think xtianity is true? IF jeebus existed in the context the bible paints him, xtianity IS the one trve religion and all that.

However, if the stories are based loosely on a bunch of different people or the jeebus guy didnt' do the alleged things the bible says, then it's all B.S.

Secondly: why is it that it is "acceptable" for religion to have excuses for the lack of evidence as the only evidence. This thread reeks of all the flood and exodus threads, wherein, the only "evidence" provided is why there is no evidence..... Not once in this thread has anyone pointed to anything and said "THIS is a piece of hard evidence for the existence of jeebus". Instead, we have apologetics saying (for example) "well, they didn't record all the executions in that time" or "jeebus had such a small following that there would be no contempoorary evidence for him". Name ONE other subject where you would accept these lines of reasoning as evidence.

Message 340 of 560 (620583) 06-17-2011 10:56 PM

Reply to: Message 339 by Jon 06-17-2011 10:31 PM

Wat?

Sorry, not gonna cut it. Your religion is based on this jeebus fella, whose story is told in the bible and only the bible. If what your book says about this chap is untrue, where does that leave your religion? The base tenet of xtianity is "jesus saves if you ask him". Without jeebus, there IS no xtianity.

I've yet to see ANY real evidence for a historical jesus, but I HAVE seen a whole lot of reasons why the alleged evidence is not there. And yet, this thread is still going.......

Oh, sorry. I apologize. I thought you were arguing for the existence of an historical jesus.

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Message 342 of 560 (620592) 06-18-2011 2:01 AM

Reply to: Message 341 by Jon 06-18-2011 1:43 AM

You've painted yourself (in my opinion at least) to be a christian. An odd christian, but a christian. Forgive me if I am wrong in saying so.

Ahh, books that didn't make it into the bible. Right. Moving along now....

The fact that there is ZERO actual evidence for him and the fact that those of you who are claiming his historocity can only make excuses for why there is no contemporary evidence makes it untrue.

They have been presented. You just don't want to hear it.

Don't be dim, Jon. That is not why I mentioned that. Try reading the context.

Had I meant it literally, you'd be on to something.... except that you just said:

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Because Christianity has almost nothing to do with Jesus. Clearly.

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So what does xtianity have to do with jeebus?

Message 344 of 560 (620595) 06-18-2011 4:19 AM

Reply to: Message 343 by Jon 06-18-2011 2:23 AM

Yes: that jesus is a fictitious character and christians are mindless idiots for lapping it up.

Pardon me for being blunt, but what the fuck are you talking about?

Or, perhaps, you (being on the side of arguing for this jeebus fella) could provide some, ya know, evidence for his existence? I haven't enjoyed mad libs since Jr. High School.

It's not hard, really. You are taking the position of "I believe this to be factual" and I don't believe you, what with not having provided any facts and all. Why is the onus on the non-believing crowd to prove you wrong? All it takes is something even minutely concrete and not heresay. I've read through this thread and followed it since it became active, hoping that someone of you jesus lovers would provide something indicative of some shred of evidence. You've all come up empty handed.

The FSM (praise be upon his meatballs) is real. Prove he's not. Oh wait, we actually have pictures and writings of our prophet.

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Message 349 of 560 (620607) 06-18-2011 10:34 AM

Reply to: Message 346 by PaulK 06-18-2011 5:44 AM

But that's not what I asked, is it? If you are granting that jesus was just some dude and the bible is not telling an accurate depiction, then what is the point? That's just pointing to more proof that it's all a big fairy tale.