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jar
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Message 148 of 301 (177976)
01-17-2005 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by johnfolton
01-17-2005 9:41 PM


Re: Lucifer
You know, since Jupiter had been closely observed and documented for many thousands of years before any possible date of Jesus birth, the idea that suddenly Jupiter did something unusual is really unlikely. Afterall, you're talking about Horus and Marduk, Gods that preceeded the Hebrews by thousands of years and that had been certainly very closely studied for more than 3000 years before the NT.

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jar
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Message 151 of 301 (177995)
01-17-2005 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by johnfolton
01-17-2005 10:27 PM


Re: Lucifer
jar, Jupiter is one of the wandering stars in the night sky. God said he uses the lights in the firmament for signs(kjv genesis 1:14).
Tom, Jupiter was also one of the easily visible objects that had been studied for milenia. Since it was a primary GOD for the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Greeks and just about every other civilization it was one of the most studied stelar objects.
I had an idea you were basing all your stuff on the Griffith material. And it's an interesting table if it wasn't so prosaic. Frankly, the incidents were all No Big Deal. Remember, Jupiter is one of the most studied stelar objects visible to the unaided eye.
In addition, it's a hodgepodge of unrelated observations. Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Mars and Mercury were all well known objects. Like Jupiter, they too were studied closely and associated with GODs.
God stuff is serious stuff.
When it comes to understanding GODs you better get it right. That means you observe every single night. And you keep records. And you make predictions. And you know where your GOD is at all times.
Sorry, but the whole Jupiter was the Star of Bethlehem is just silly.

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jar
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Message 154 of 301 (178001)
01-17-2005 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by johnfolton
01-17-2005 11:12 PM


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jar, Jupiter is not a God, its just a light in the sky that God used for a sign.
Yeah, right. LOL
Tell that to the Egyptians, Persian, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, Indians, Chinese and almost every other ancient civilization.
Of course that is also totally irrelevant.
The wisemen recognized the sign, and brought gift to our Lord God and Savior in Bethlehem the city of his prophecied birth.
If they were wisemen, they knew all about Jupiter and it would never have been something extraordinary. They would have known about and been able to predict all of the things listed in the Griffith list.
Only the very uneducated would see anything surprising in Jupiter's appearance, position or visibility. So maybe it was the Three Stupidmen?

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jar
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Message 156 of 301 (178004)
01-17-2005 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by johnfolton
01-17-2005 11:38 PM


Re:
Tom, I'm telling you that isn't all that big a deal. For example there is a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn every twenty years or so, between Jupiter and Venus up to three times a year.
The others are similarly common.
Its quite interesting that astronomers today are well aware of this Planetary Conjunction and that Jupiter was shining on Bethelehem in the year of the Lord's Jesus Birth.
Nope, not really. It's no big deal. It would have been a common predictable event even 3000 years before Jesus was born.

Boring!


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jar
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Message 160 of 301 (178084)
01-18-2005 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by johnfolton
01-18-2005 12:17 AM


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jar, Its quite interesting because the testimony of the wisemen that the star stopped over Bethlehem. Using this boring astronomy fact, puts the year of the Lords birth to be 2 B.C. Now that is quite interesting.
I'm glad you returned to that gem.
The Star Stopped over Bethlehem? Is that correct?

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jar
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Message 300 of 301 (179182)
01-20-2005 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by johnfolton
01-20-2005 11:14 PM


Re: PaulK, Brian, Nighttrain, Sidelined
the moon doesn't rotate at all.
ROTFLMAO

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