Where Science And The Bible Meet

Well, I'm not an expert in classical Greek, but I doubt that the ancient Greek word used for fall in the old Gospel texts had this sense.Edited by Chiroptera, : bet -> doubt

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It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi

Yes, I'm fairly certain that this sense of the word fall didn't occur until Galileo's work in the 16th century CE.

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It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi

No, I'm just pointing out that the word used did not have the meaning that you are claiming that it did.- Well, assuming for the sake of argument that there is a creator and that this creator actually wrote those words, then I would also assume that the words weren't meant for physicists who lived after the 16th century. I would assume that the words were meant for a much larger audience who have had a definite idea of what fall means.I mean, honestly, do you think that this so-called creator is in the habit of writing in an obscure way that the majority of people in history would not have understood? Do you really think that this creator intended that no one would understand its writings until you finally came along? That's the family sized box of hubris[/i], it seems to me.

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It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi

I have no idea what this has to do with stars collapsing. Look, the audience for which the "falling stars" passage was written, 1st century Christians and perhaps Christians thereafter, would have interpreted the word "fall" in one way -- to mean something that was in the air or in the heavens rushing downward and hitting the ground (our ground, the earth) at a high speed. This is how they would have interpreted it, and this is the way they have always interpreted it...until you came along talking about collapsing stars.Now if God "wrote" a passage about collapsing stars knowing full well that people would think that he was writing about things falling to the ground, then he was being deliberately misleading. That is pretty much the definition of a lie -- to deliberately say something (or omit saying something) so that people will be misled into an incorrect belief.- Now you're changing the subject? I don't blame you, seeing how embarrassing the "collapsing star" nonsense must be.

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"The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but the one who causes the darkness."
Clearly, he had his own strange way of judging things. I suspect that he acquired it from the Gospels. -- Victor Hugo

Do the answers to those questions have any bearing on whether or not the Qur'an is the true message from God?

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"The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but the one who causes the darkness."
Clearly, he had his own strange way of judging things. I suspect that he acquired it from the Gospels. -- Victor Hugo

Ah. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.- Whoa! Now I'm confused again. First, you say that you were only being sarcastic when you mentioned collapsing stars. Now you're claiming that it's a serious possibility after all? Make up your mind, dude!- Well, I think he was referring to the phenomenon of "shooting stars" -- you know, seeing what appears to be stars falling from the sky. Why make this complicated?- Well, Revelation 6:14 talks about the sky, not the entire universe. It was the belief at the time that the sky was made of a solid material, and Isaiah 40:22 indicates a tent or cloth-like material at that. It sounds to me like a description of the dome of the sky being "rolled up" and packed away. Why are you making this complicated?

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"The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but the one who causes the darkness."
Clearly, he had his own strange way of judging things. I suspect that he acquired it from the Gospels. -- Victor Hugo