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doctrbill
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Message 102 of 208 (443929)
12-27-2007 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ArchArchitect
04-18-2007 7:47 PM


War
Hello ArchArchitect. Welcome to EvC.

You may already know that Matthew 24:29 - Acts 20:20 - and - Revelation 6:12; are echoes of Old Testament prophecy, especially: Joel 2:31.

quote:
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

But did you suspect that this is about war? It is, you know. Just look at the context:

  • "blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke." verse 30

Pillars of smoke (from burning cities) tend to darken the sun and make the moon appear bloody red.

"Day of the Lord" is a coined expression of Old Testament prophecy and invariably refers to military adventure (or misadventure):

  • Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth ... For this [is] the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance ... and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: Jer 46:9,10

  • Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate ... the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isa 13:9,10

  • ... Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. Eze 13:5

  • ... the day of the LORD [is] near, a cloudy day ... the sword shall come ... the slain shall fall ... Eze 30:3,4

  • Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Amos 5:18

  • Behold, the day of the LORD cometh ... For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle ... Zec 14:1,2

The darkness of sun, moon and stars described in these passages has nothing to do with astronomical phenomena. It is a simple description of a sky which is darkened by war.

Those of us who live in the West are familiar with the phenomena. We see it when a forest is burning in our neighborhood. And yes: the sun grows dark and the moon doesn't shine.

"Falling stars" may describe artillery fire; but that sounds like a topic for another thread.


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doctrbill
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Message 112 of 208 (444087)
12-28-2007 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by IamJoseph
12-28-2007 6:28 AM


Re: War
doctrbill writes:

But did you suspect that this is about war? It is, you know. Just look at the context:

  • "blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke." verse 30

IamJoseph writes:

no Gdly agent could have said what is seen in the NT and Quran

I have asserted that the text is not an astronomical statement but rather a description of war.

What is the relevance of your reply?

I am not interested in your theology.

Please don't waste my time.


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