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Author Topic:   Where Science And The Bible Meet
Peg
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Message 138 of 208 (505921)
04-20-2009 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Force
06-03-2008 9:24 PM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
force writes:

life is not simply in the blood.

so a person/animal will still live when all their blood is drained?


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Peg
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Message 141 of 208 (505985)
04-21-2009 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by purpledawn
04-20-2009 7:43 PM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
purpledawn writes:

Without oxygen one cannot live even with all the blood in tact. Life is also in oxygen.

and oxygen is processed by the...


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Peg
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Message 143 of 208 (506065)
04-22-2009 6:53 AM
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04-21-2009 7:05 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Coragyps writes:

mitochondria of the body's cells. Red blood cells just shuttle it around.

which is why bad circulation can lead to ...


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Peg
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Message 147 of 208 (506309)
04-25-2009 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Michamus
04-22-2009 9:44 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
what keeps all the organs functioning?

And what happens when the blood stops getting thru to a particular organ or part of the body???


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Peg
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Message 148 of 208 (506310)
04-25-2009 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Michamus
04-25-2009 2:37 AM


Re: Bible predicts blockage.
Michamus writes:

Kind of hard for him to mention the eye of the needle, when it didn't even exist.

needles must have existed in some form...how else did they sew their clothes???


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Peg
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Message 153 of 208 (506516)
04-27-2009 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by onifre
04-26-2009 2:09 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
onfire writes:

"What keeps all the organs functioning?" - the brain.

what about people on life support?


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Peg
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Message 156 of 208 (506791)
04-29-2009 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by onifre
04-27-2009 7:57 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
people who are completely brain dead can be kept alive on life support for many years. The bodily functions do not require the brain when life support is turned on.

I'm really just being cheeky here... but i think they call it a 'vegetative state'

people with kidney failure can have their blood cleaned by dialysis once a week,
the bladder & bowel can be removed and a bag can be attached instead
people can survive without other organs

Im just saying that we can survive without some organs with the help of medical intervention...but we cant survive without our blood.

Edited by Peg, : No reason given.


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Peg
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Message 167 of 208 (507253)
05-03-2009 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Rahvin
04-29-2009 11:59 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Rahvin writes:

Still, scientists are working on artificial blood - that is, an alternative means of carrying nutrients to the body, so that blood donations will no longer be required.

they've already done that

there are plenty of non-blood alternatives that are better then blood.


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Peg
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Message 170 of 208 (507356)
05-04-2009 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Michamus
05-03-2009 1:14 PM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
eg, Gelafusine, Rheomacrodex, Macrodex, Saline, Hartmanns solution, Ringers solution, Darrows solution, Hypotonic saline, Destrose saline...etc

all stuff they use to increase fluid volume


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Peg
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Message 175 of 208 (507548)
05-06-2009 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by bluescat48
05-04-2009 8:20 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
bluescat48 writes:

So are you dsaying one should get rid of blood a replace it with
Gelafusine, Rheomacrodex....

sure why not?

apparently blood has nothing to do with keeping us alive...its just a fluid isnt it?


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Peg
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Message 180 of 208 (507657)
05-07-2009 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Michamus
05-06-2009 5:40 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Michamus writes:

This includes the ancients. Do you really think they weren't smart enough to say... "Hey look, Joshua just died... maybe it has something to do with all the red liquid stuff that came out of him. I mean he was perfectly normal before it all started flowing out of him." It is only natural that they would conclude that an individuals life is dependent on the amount of blood they have.

Im sure not everyone died due to blood loss. People who where hung or stoned or drowned did not die due to blood loss.
So i dont think you could say thats why the bible writers wrote that 'life is in the blood'
there must have been more too it then that.

Michamus writes:

The problem you are having here is that you refuse to accept that life is more than just the amount of blood something has. Rather than accepting that perhaps you were a little presumptuous in that observation, you would prefer to make yourself look the greater fool by making statements like the one above.

The bible view is that blood is sacred to God. Can you prove otherwise?

btw, you need to lighten up :)


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Peg
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Message 181 of 208 (507658)
05-07-2009 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Rahvin
05-06-2009 12:16 PM


Re: Magical life-force
Rahvin writes:

There is no magic wishy-washy "life force," in the blood or otherwise. This is a decidedly primitive view of life taken from a culture with only the most basic understanding of life and the human body.

and yet they had far more advanced hygiene and disease control practices then we learnt after hundreds of years of scientific achievement


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Peg
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Message 184 of 208 (507771)
05-08-2009 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Michamus
05-07-2009 8:50 AM


Re: Re-Science and Bible
Michamus writes:

I have created a reputation for my hardball tactics in discussion. I expect no more from you

im sorry, im not that hard ball

Edited by Peg, : No reason given.


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