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Author Topic:   Noah's Ark volume calculation
deerbreh
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Message 160 of 347 (493562)
01-09-2009 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by msurguy
01-07-2009 11:29 PM


Re: why not
can it be that animals (and maybe humans) were in state of hibernation for most of the time on the ark? Also, why can't it be that animals were not full grown adults ?
Not all animals hibernate (actually very few do)
Many animals, even if they would have been babies when they came on the ark, would have been full grown or nearly full grown after the year or so on the ark. And that brings up another point - you do not just have to account for space for animals - you need to account for space for food also. Not to mention the labor needed to feed and water all of those animals and remove their waste. 8 people did this? I don't think so.
Also if young animals were chosen, why wasn't this mentioned in God's instructions to Noah? Seems like a fairly critical detail to go unmentioned.

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deerbreh
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Message 162 of 347 (493566)
01-09-2009 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Peg
01-09-2009 4:33 AM


a) i dont agree with the above logic for the reason that dinosaur bones are regularly found in lower earth layers than are human bones, leading many to conclude that they belong to an earlier time period.
So I take it you are not a literalist/young earth creationist?

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deerbreh
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Message 181 of 347 (494381)
01-15-2009 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by killinghurts
01-11-2009 7:47 PM


Re: And again
And no unicorns either. Explain that.
The Unicorn Song
From: Songs of Ireland
words and music Shel Silverstein, new verse Andrew McKee
A long time ago, when the Earth was green
There was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen
They'd run around free while the Earth was being born
And the loveliest of all was the unicorn
There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the unicorn
The Lord seen some sinning and it gave Him pain
And He says, "Stand back, I'm going to make it rain"
He says, "Hey Noah, I'll tell you what to do
Build me a floating zoo,
and take some of those...
Green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
Don't you forget My unicorns
Old Noah was there to answer the call
He finished up making the ark just as the rain started to fall
He marched the animals two by two
And he called out as they came through
Hey Lord,
I've got green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but Lord, I'm so forlorn
I just can't find no unicorns"
And Noah looked out through the driving rain
Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games
Kicking and splashing while the rain was falling
Oh, them silly unicorns
There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Noah cried, "Close the door because the rain is falling
And we just can't wait for no unicorns"
The ark started moving, it drifted with the tide
The unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried
And the waters came down and sort of floated them away
That's why you never see unicorns to this very day
You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
You're never gonna see no unicorns
[New Lyrics]
Now you might think this is the ending to the song,
But I'll have to tell you friends that in fact you're wrong
You see, Unicorns are magical, so when the rain started pouring,
They grew themselves some wings and they took to soaring.
You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
But if you're looking for the unicorns, don't be forlorn,
The second star to the right and straight on until morning.
KEY C

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deerbreh
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Message 201 of 347 (495427)
01-22-2009 3:07 PM


Way off topic.
Just pointing out that the discussion has seriously veered off the topic of "Noah's Ark volume calculation" if anyone cares. Lots of metaphysical argument here but maybe a new thread should be started for that?

deerbreh
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Message 299 of 347 (497649)
02-05-2009 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by prophet
02-04-2009 5:34 PM


Re: Miracle or Bust
The best way man has ever developed to dis-miss God is through man's intelligence and the venue of science. Of course, this science thing didn't work then and it doesn't work now. So if evil abounded then, so too is it likely that science abounded.
I was under the impression that the topic was about calculating the volume of Noah's Ark, not evil. Nevertheless, do you really intend to suggest that scientific inquiry and evil are correlated? I don't think you will get any support for that line of argument here. This is a SCIENCE forum, by the way. Why are you on it if you feel that way?
Evil is no more likely to crop up in scientific endeavor than any other endeavor (and probably less likely than something like TV evangelism, imo).
Also I would add that there is zero evidence that Noah's society was technologically advanced. And plenty of evidence it wasn't. Just read the specs for the ark. The ark would have been steel, not wood, for starters.
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deerbreh
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Message 300 of 347 (497657)
02-05-2009 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by prophet
02-03-2009 5:37 PM


Re: Miracle or Bust
The proof "I feel, I have" it would still allow one to consider Noah's Ark required more than science. It would prove more than science was available. It is just not yet time for me to show this, but it will be here soon...
Either you have proof of something or you don't. And if is the latter you can't claim you have objective proof. Sorry.

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