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 Message 11 of 347 (490043) 12-01-2008 8:57 PM Reply to: Message 1 by killinghurts11-30-2008 11:45 PM

Re-Ark
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
I have two questions for creationists out there with regards to the size of the Ark (specifically volume).
Minimun size was 450 feet long 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.
That would be 1,518,000 cubic feet. This would equal the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.
Which would equal a train 5 1/2 miles long.
killinghurts writes:
a) It has to be big enough to house two (male and female) of each of every single species that has ever existed on Earth, including the dinosaurs, and some error margin for any species we haven't actually discovered yet, or has become extinct since.
Correction.
Only the ones that have been on earth since the flood some 4500 years ago.
killinghurts writes:
b) It must also contain enough food and water to last 40 days (40 days is right I think).
One year.
No storage for water was mentioned.
Food was mentioned in Genesis 6:21.
killinghurts writes:
c) It must contain some form of separation between the animals, presumably so they wouldn't eat each other (i.e fences, cabins, etc).
Why would that be necessary? They came and got on the ark by themselves.
killinghurts writes:
b) Does it fit with the measurements specified in The Bible?
I have no idea how many creatures there are today and how many have gone extinct in the last 4500 years.
I do know that you would have the storage space of a minimum of 569 stock railroad cars. They are double deckers. Using a larger cubic you could increase the space by more than 15%. Thats another 75 or so stock railroad cars.
For smaller animals you could have four or more floors per car thus doubling their capacity or even more.
Since God provided the animals He determined their size.
There is a problem with the ark as no provisions were made for water or sewage.
Since water and sewage was not part of Noah's job discription it was up to God to take care of those items. Just like He did with the animals so Noah did not have to go out and capture all the animals.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 31 of 347 (490188) 12-02-2008 10:43 PM Reply to: Message 23 by kuresu12-02-2008 7:37 AM

Re: Ark Size
Hi kuresu,
kuresu writes:
Keep in mind, if the ark had 96k sq.ft, as one creo just argued in this thread,
There is a caculator Here that will caculate the size of the ark for you.
Using Noah's cubits rounded down to even feet, the ark would be 507 feet long 84 feet wide and 50 feet high.
Each floor would have 42,588 sq. ft.
An American football field has 48,000 sq. ft.
The Ark had a lower floor, a second floor and a third floor below the main deck the door was on.
If each of this had 9 ft. ceilings with 1 ft. added for the floor you would still have a 20 ft. ceiling on the main deck which you could build a lot of rooms in.
You have 170,352 sq. ft. of floor space or the equivlant of over 3 1/2 football fields. Plus what you would gain when you built the rooms on the main deck.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 32 of 347 (490193) 12-02-2008 10:58 PM Reply to: Message 30 by killinghurts12-02-2008 9:42 PM

Re-if possible
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
I'd prefer to have an answer from somewhere in the bible, if possible!
The Bible does not tell you how many animals or what size they were.
But that really is no real problem as far as God is concerned.
He has already created these animals at least two times. Once in the beginning, and then again in Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3.
What folks that don't believe in God don't understand about those of us who believe Genesis 1:1 is that if God can do that then everything else is childs play.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 62 of 347 (490288) 12-03-2008 2:54 PM Reply to: Message 33 by NosyNed12-02-2008 11:10 PM

Re: God's Play
Hi Ned,
First off you know I don't care what anyone says about what the Bible says. It only matters what God said.
NoseyNed writes:
You agree with the rationalists that the ark is impossible within the universe as we understand it.
I agree that it is impossible according to the natural man's understanding and knowledge.
I Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It is not impossible according to the spiritual man's understanding.
If God can speak this universe into existence and then create all the animals in it, why would He have a problem with repopulating the earth after a flood?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 64 of 347 (490291) 12-03-2008 3:23 PM Reply to: Message 35 by obvious Child12-03-2008 1:11 AM

Re: Ark Size
Hi obvious,
obivious Child writes:
You forgot something quite vital.
I didn't know I was supposed to give a detailed drawing of the ark.
I thought we were only trying to determine the capacity of the ark.
Neither did I say the floor was 1 foot thick. I said it left 1 ft. for the floor. That would be the floor boards and the supporting timbers.
And yes I do understand what would be involved in building such a vessel. I have built exchanges where two interstate highways intersect. I have also built buildings over 50 ft. tall.
You are concerned with the vessel standing up under the weight. My concern would also be to keep the vessel from being crushed by the pressure of the water from the outside. That is probably why 3 lower floors were specified as they would have been below the waterline.
There were rooms to be built on these floors that would have supporting walls for the floors.
My biggest problem in designing the ark would be ventilation of the lower floors. The ones that would be below the waterline. Another problem for me is not knowing the weight of the material used to construct the ark. Not to mention the weight of the cargo.
If I had access to the prints Noah had to build the ark by then I would be able to know how those things were accomplished.
I do know the design size is correct as that is what we still use to build ships today.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 65 of 347 (490293) 12-03-2008 3:36 PM Reply to: Message 63 by NosyNed12-03-2008 3:03 PM

Re: God's Play
Hi Ned,
NoseyNed writes:
Please go tell that to the creation "scientists" and the IDists then who are trying to claim that they are actually doing science and want to bugger about with science classes.
I have been telling them for 45 years.
They don't listen. They like everybody else know what they believe and don't want to be bothered with the facts.
NoseyNed writes:
However, worse than that (from a believers perspective) there is very bad theology in your claim.
Ned you know from our conversations in the past that I do have answers as to how God did it. You don't agree with me and that is fine.
But don't accuse me of having very bad theology.
But as far as this thread I will not drag it into a discussion of my theological views of how the flood took place and why you can't find your huge columns of silt that YEC'S have led many to believe would exist if such a flood took place.
NoseyNed writes:
He then, crafty fellow that he is, also left out the details of this slight-of-hand (some would even call it deception) from the Book.
He gave us everything we need to be able to come to a knowledge of Him so we could seek after Him and serve Him.
Just because some are not convinced does not mean that He did not give us all we needed.
Why should He explain everything to our satisfaction?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 67 of 347 (490295) 12-03-2008 3:44 PM Reply to: Message 36 by killinghurts12-03-2008 2:03 AM

Re: Ark Size
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
Hello ICANT, can I (or should I say CANI lol) please have this calculation in volume (i.e cubic feet) so I can add it to the list.
Length times width times height equals cubit ft.
507 x 84 x 50 = 2,129,400 cubic feet.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 68 of 347 (490297) 12-03-2008 3:53 PM Reply to: Message 37 by killinghurts12-03-2008 2:09 AM

Re-if possible
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
Evolution (or change over time) does not occur in animals according to creationism - therefore they cannot progressively get bigger over the generations.
The creationist you are talking about was not raised on a farm.
But according to the Bible there would have to have been a lot of fowl, cattle, and creeping things on the ark. Those are the ones mentioned. That does not say everything.
The ones God wanted on the ark came to the ark and Noah allowed them to go into the ark. Whatever showed up.
You say, what about the rest?
No details are given.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 79 of 347 (490334) 12-03-2008 9:25 PM Reply to: Message 66 by kuresu12-03-2008 3:42 PM

Re: Ark Size
Hi kuresu,
kuresu writes:
I do believe that's ark-like.
450 x 180 is not ark like.
That is built on a 1 to 2 2/3 ratio.
The ark is built on 1 to 6 ratio just as most of our ships today are.
The treasure ships does show it is possible to build a large wooden vessel.
These vessels were built to navigate the ark was built to float it wasn't going anywhere.
I wonder what they built ships out of prior to the 1800's.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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 Message 80 of 347 (490336) 12-03-2008 9:35 PM Reply to: Message 74 by killinghurts12-03-2008 6:25 PM

Re: Ark Size
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
Hi ICANT, this is about one and a half times the average calculation specified by the other people in this thread - can you explain the difference?
That is using the Noah's cubit.
In Message 31 I gave a site for a caculator that has all the different measurments for the cubit's.
The caculator is Here.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 81 of 347 (490339) 12-03-2008 9:45 PM Reply to: Message 75 by killinghurts12-03-2008 6:33 PM

Re-if possible
Hi killinghurts,
killinghurts writes:
It would stand to reason then, that *every* non-marine entity we see today (or has been seen since) *must* have been on the Ark. What other reasonable explanation is there?
The Bible doesn't say anything about everything being on the ark that I can find. I may have overlooked it.
The creatures on the ark are the ones that God had come to the ark.
Anything else could have been recreated just as they had been before.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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 Message 85 of 347 (490345) 12-03-2008 10:14 PM Reply to: Message 77 by obvious Child12-03-2008 7:19 PM

Re: Ark Size
Hi obvious,
obvious Child writes:
The thing is the capacity of the ark is also dependent upon how it is built and how it supports the upper floors.
There would be no problem engineering a wooden structure 50 feet tall.
The oldest wooden structure is 220 feet 10 inches tall. It has withstood several earthquakes and is 950 plus years old.
obvious Child writes:
1 foot for supporting timbers seems quite small given the square footage and how many animals we're talking about.
The supporting walls and the size of the rooms would determine the size of the beams. No floors or the roof would be a clear span. Everything would be supported by walls. The sides would be tied by the walls and floors.
We have no way of knowing how many animals were on the ark.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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