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bluescat48
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Message 12 of 347 (490044)
12-01-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ICANT
12-01-2008 8:57 PM


Re: Re-Ark
Since water and sewage was not part of Noah's job discription it was up to God to take care of those items. Just like He did with the animals so Noah did not have to go out and capture all the animals.
O really! Obviously not since Noah & his family would have been overcome by all the ammonia in just one days worth of urine from the (however many) animals were in the so called ark.

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Message 27 of 347 (490136)
12-02-2008 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by DevilsAdvocate
12-02-2008 3:29 PM


Re: great topic
Also realize that 8 people would have to take of those 6300+ animals.
I agree that it would make more sense if this was a local not a global flood and Noah/Gilgamesh only took those animals from the local area. You then could probably get it down to 200-400 animals, possibly.
That makes a lot more sense then a global flood and 6300+ animals. The 8 people would probably be dead from exhaustion the first day.

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Message 50 of 347 (490225)
12-03-2008 6:19 AM
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12-03-2008 5:02 AM


Re: Ark Size
scientists have researched human genes extensively. By comparing human genetic patterns around the earth, they found clear evidence that all humans have a common ancestor, a source of the DNA of all people who have ever lived, including each of us. In 1988, Newsweek magazine presented those findings in a report entitled “The Search for Adam and Eve.” Those studies were based on a type of mitochondrial DNA, genetic material passed on only by the female. Reports in 1995 about research on male DNA point to the same conclusion”that “there was an ancestral ”Adam,’ whose genetic material on the [Y] chromosome is common to every man now on earth,”
Except that Mitochondrial Eve lived about 140000 years ago and Y-chromosome Adam about 60000 years ago. The Ancestor's Tale, page 54
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Message 60 of 347 (490281)
12-03-2008 2:13 PM
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12-03-2008 7:13 AM


Re: Ark Size
The only thing debatable is the actual time frame the 100000 could be between 50000 & 150000. There is no debate on the mitochondrial evidence.

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Message 108 of 347 (490452)
12-04-2008 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by NosyNed
12-04-2008 2:55 PM


Re: Linked article goes wrong in 2 sentences
You read? ->
Within hours, mammoths, which could not have lived in today’s Arctic climates or at Arctic latitudes, were buried alive and quickly frozen as this muddy hail fell back to earth in a gigantic hail storm.
It is so obviously silly that I didn't bother to read further.
Sounds like a poorly written 1950's scifi show.
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Message 114 of 347 (490519)
12-05-2008 10:49 AM
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12-05-2008 10:22 AM


Re: How many 'species' on the ark?
Now let us take the possibility that the ark existed.
If the volume is as is noted then all current species could not have fit into it.
So either the ark was much lager causing more problems such as seaworthyness
or there were less species at the time which means that superevolution had to have occured in the time post ark, neither seems feasible.

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Message 118 of 347 (490583)
12-06-2008 1:03 AM
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12-05-2008 11:50 PM


Re: How many 'kind' on the ark?
What verse is this in?
Tree's survived because they floated upwards as islands of refuge for all the kinds that survived apart from the ark. right?
Or is it in the Book of johnfolton?
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Message 133 of 347 (490816)
12-08-2008 7:54 PM
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12-08-2008 7:34 PM


~2500000 cu ft and thus the food alone would not fit in the ark given the earlier dimensions from post # 1
Approximate size of the Ark is:
1,518,000 cu.ft.
Bible Study - You Have Questions. The Bible Has Answers!
1,396,000 cu.ft.
Noah's Ark Search - Mount Ararat
1,518,000 cubic feet
1,400,000 cu ft
If we take an average (mean) we have:
1,458,000 cu ft.

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Message 139 of 347 (490833)
12-09-2008 12:07 AM
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12-08-2008 7:59 PM


the 11.125cuft given in your post equates to a cube ~1.4 ft per edge. That might work if all the animals were cubes 1.4 ft x 1.4ft x 1.4ft, otherwise back to square 1

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Message 141 of 347 (490835)
12-09-2008 12:32 AM
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12-09-2008 12:16 AM


The sheep would have a major problem, but just think of the problem of squeezing a cow into that 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.4.', or worse still an elephant.

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Message 145 of 347 (490861)
12-09-2008 6:37 AM
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12-09-2008 4:34 AM


So what about the at least 2,500,000 cubic feet of space needed for the food?

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Message 146 of 347 (490862)
12-09-2008 6:41 AM
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12-09-2008 2:49 AM


Re: fail!
Sorry mis read my own calc it should have been 2.2 ft

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Message 185 of 347 (494898)
01-19-2009 8:00 PM
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01-19-2009 6:44 PM


The "What if?" syndrome
Has anyone considered that our conception of time and space is different from God's? Could it be the ark was bigger on the inside than it was on the outside? Through God all things are possible.
Here we go again. What if? The point is that the Bible makes no reference to the interior of the ark have a greater volume than the ark itself. One could indefinitely continue with what if, maybe, could it be etc. and make the story out to say anything.

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Message 195 of 347 (495115)
01-20-2009 9:42 PM
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01-20-2009 9:22 PM


Re: The "What if?" syndrome
Just because one cannot go there should not constitute a valid argument that the Ark does not exist.
Whether what may exist on Mt Ararat is a boat or not has no real bearing on whether that is Noah's Ark or whether there was a global flood. If the so called ark had the dimensions as listed, it could not have held 2 of each animal species + the 8 people + all the food necessary for the trip + any contrivances needed in the feeding, removing wastes etc. That is what this topic is "Noah's Ark Volume calculation" not whether the ark & flood existed.

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Message 200 of 347 (495378)
01-22-2009 7:39 AM
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01-21-2009 5:38 PM


Re: The "What if?" syndrome
Ok, lets say; the animals needed no calorie intake and excreted no fecal matter or urine.
The scripture contradicts your what if
Gen 6:21 Take with you of all food that is eaten, and gather it to you; and it will be for food for you, and for them.
22 Thus Noah did. According to all that God commanded him, so he did.

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