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Author Topic:   Noah's Ark volume calculation
onifre
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Message 7 of 347 (490006)
12-01-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
12-01-2008 12:03 PM


Q. What's harder than getting a pregnant Brontosaurus into the ark?
A. Getting a Brontosaurus pregnant in the ark!
(Noah! Make them stop. I'm getting seasick!)

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Message 14 of 347 (490047)
12-01-2008 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ICANT
12-01-2008 8:57 PM


Re: Re-Ark
Hi ICANT,
I have to say, given that the OP makes no mention of whether the flood story is true or not, it is presumed to be true for the sake of this thread, I have to side with you in that most of the issues that would have seemed impossible to overcome would have to be taken care of by God. As you pointed out, He sent the animals to Noah. He took care of the planning. Noah just followed orders.
In fact, any of the so-called problems that Noah would have faced would have to be assumed that God fixed it for him. I almost find no point to argue against it. Any question that anyone would raise is easily answered by saying, God took care of it.
I think you might win this one, lol.
Take care,
Oni

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onifre
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Message 102 of 347 (490433)
12-04-2008 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by johnfolton
12-04-2008 1:26 PM


Re: Do you really believe this?
johnfolton writes:
the fossils found quick frozen has been found in the northern hemisphere. right?
Wrong. Those are not fossils.
Fossils:
Fossil - Wikipedia
Types of fossils(preservation), from Wiki:
quote:
Types of preservation:
Permineralization:
A permineralized trilobite, Asaphus kowalewskiiPermineralization occurs after burial, as the empty spaces within an organism (spaces filled with liquid or gas during life) become filled with mineral-rich groundwater and the minerals precipitate from the groundwater, thus occupying the empty spaces. This process can occur in very small spaces, such as within the cell wall of a plant cell. Small scale permineralization can produce very detailed fossils. For permineralization to occur, the organism must become covered by sediment soon after death or soon after the initial decaying process. The degree to which the remains are decayed when covered determines the later details of the fossil. Some fossils consist only of skeletal remains or teeth; other fossils contain traces of skin, feathers or even soft tissues. This is a form of diagenesis.
External mold of a bivalve from the Logan Formation, Lower Carboniferous, Ohio.
Casts and molds:
In some cases the original remains of the organism have been completely dissolved or otherwise destroyed. When all that is left is an organism-shaped hole in the rock, it is called an external mold. If this hole is later filled with other minerals, it is a cast. An internal mold is formed when sediments or minerals fill the internal cavity of an organism, such as the inside of a bivalve or snail.
Replacement and recrystallization:
Replacement occurs when the shell, bone or other tissue is replaced with another mineral. In some cases mineral replacement of the original shell occurs so gradually and at such fine scales that microstructural features are preserved despite the total loss of original material. A shell is said to be recrystallized when the original skeletal minerals are still present but in a different crystal form, as from aragonite to calcite.
Compression fossils:
Compression fossils, such as those of fossil ferns, are the result of chemical reduction of the complex organic molecules composing the organism's tissues. In this case the fossil consists of original material, albeit in a geochemically altered state. Often what remains is a carbonaceous film. This chemical change is an expression of diagenesis.
Bioimmuration:
The star-shaped holes (Catellocaula vallata) in this Upper Ordovician bryozoan represent a soft-bodied organism preserved by bioimmuration in the bryozoan skeleton. Bioimmuration is a type of preservation in which a skeletal organism overgrows or otherwise subsumes another organism, preserving the latter, or an impression of it, within the skeleton. Usually it is a sessile skeletal organism, such as a bryozoan or an oyster, which grows along a substrate, covering other sessile encrusters. Sometimes the bioimmured organism is soft-bodied and is then preserved in negative relief as a kind of external mold. There are also cases where an organism settles on top of a living skeletal organism which grows upwards, preserving the settler in its skeleton. Bioimmuration is known in the fossil record from the Ordovician to the Recent.
To sum up, fossilization processes proceed differently for different kinds of tissues and under different kinds of conditions.
Try following this logic,
*Something dies and fossilizes over time, that is a fossil.
*Something gets trapped under ice and freezes, that is not a fossil.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 150 of 347 (490986)
12-10-2008 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by killinghurts
12-09-2008 9:48 PM


= 14500
Times 2, right?
Total: 29,000 animals on the Ark, not counting Noah and the crew, is that a fair number...?

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 153 of 347 (491284)
12-13-2008 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by killinghurts
12-10-2008 6:42 PM


Oh yes you are completely right.
Ill adjust the calculation on page 1 according to this.
Looks like the glove don't fit...
I never did any of the calculating so thanks for taking the time out to do it.
PS: nice avatar.
Thanks...

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onifre
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Message 177 of 347 (493895)
01-11-2009 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Brian
01-11-2009 11:56 AM


Re: supremacy
then why does He sit back and watch thousands of innocent babies die each day from starvation
Yeah, screw those starving adults! lol

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onifre
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Message 179 of 347 (493897)
01-11-2009 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Brian
01-11-2009 2:07 PM


Re: supremacy
Adults aren't innocent though. Good recovery or what?
Well done sir
But, I do have kids and they only CLAIM innocence!

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onifre
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Message 318 of 347 (499829)
02-20-2009 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by DD2014
02-19-2009 7:25 PM


Re: Impossible
1750000 x 2 does not equal 35000000. You have one too many 0's.
Should be 3500000.
That changes your final total.

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onifre
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Message 321 of 347 (500181)
02-23-2009 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Black
02-23-2009 7:49 PM


The only species that would have boarded the ark are the living species that a flood would kill.
So what happened to the dinosuars? That didn't kill humans and every other species? Or did humans get "created" after the dinos went extict? How did that creation story go again...?

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onifre
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Message 323 of 347 (500186)
02-23-2009 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Black
02-23-2009 8:45 PM


There are regions of the world that are unexplored such as the swamps of Africa. The swamps of Africa are as large as some of the states in America but yet they are 80% unexplored.
Are you saying the dinosuars are in Africa?

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