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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Hey there bill. Are you jewish? Curious me is wondering. So you are studied in hebrew text and such, you've read and studied the ancient hebrew text?
Question for you anyway. Can you do math? Do you know how to work out probability?
The propehesy in Isiah is only one concerning the messiah how about you get a whole list of the prophesies concerning the messiah and then do some math. What is the probability that all these prophesies over this whole period of time, could ever be filled by the lifetime of one man?
Have to be a pretty organized sham to last so many years. Wouldn't you agree?
B"H
Messiah?
If that is anything to go on, what would you say if I could show you that over 20 prophetic texts matched little Elian Gonzales, and his saga? What if I were to show you the posibility that he is a direct descendant of king David through the Nazarene and his wife Miriam (Mary) of Magdalena? Literally matched, verbatim, is he the Messiah? The returned one or the first to come, however you'd care to look at it. The New Test. does state that the Messiah will have a NEW NAME upon this coming visitation (Rev. 3:12 last words, Rev. 19:10-13 and The Gosels all concur:"Many shall come in My name, saying 'I am he', Do Not Follow Them."). If he came as the mercy of G-d the first time, the books state He comes in wrath this time to judge the nations. Yet, not one of the religions addresses this. Perhaps as the Nazarene stated, "Satan is he that deceiveth the entire world."
We've got some major problems if my hunch is right.When the boy finds out who it was that betrayed his mother and him, what do you think his reactions will be, given that he may be the next in line to the dictatorship of a nuclear power called Cuba. What? You didn't know they were nuclear capable? Now you know exactly why we did not invade. The ones who betrayed him were Bill clinton, Janet Reno, Fidel, and Pope John Paul II you can take that to the bank.The same ones who were behind 9/11. [Al Qeda is CIA, always have been.] You have been deceived. Ask any vietnam Vet if that can happen in such a big way, they'll not tell you any lie. Tis unfortunately true. So, just because scripture can match an individual does not mean they are the messiah. Rav Akiva thought that some one else was the messiah. But I ask you this, no matter who the Messiah is what is more important? That you think he'll save you from death or that you should die to the ways of This gentile way of life? Did not the Nazarene state specifically,"To enter into LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS."? Did he say you can pick & choose which ones apply to you n me? Don't go spouting off about the church's understandings of salvation to others without listening first. You never know what you will learn. Life to the mighty one of Israel is not the same thing as what you, in your western mindset, understand as life. You don't even understand the Judaism of the Nazarene, I'm not mad at you butI am fed up with the traditions that have blinded so many for so long. Learn the way of Light. Your Nazarene was teaching the laws of YaHVeH, as IF he were the bible itself. 'The Word' is the Messiah, not the man. A man is not the Creator, but what no one has accepted was that Jesus is not god, his words ARE, that IS truth, because it was the Spirit of the Hebrew Bible doing the talking, and God and His word are one.. Only the bible can say those things about itself. The point Jesus was making was that if you become the Hebrew Bible, in all that you are, It will speak through YOU too, The Word of G-d IN YOU, i.e.;The messiah IN YOU.
You talk of sacrifice? Make one of your own, the Jewish people have been doing this for 40 centuries, hoping that we'll come out of our illusions, and delusions, and give up our idolatries, every last one of them. There will be no peace til that occurs. As far as I'm concerned, Elian ['El Leon' in Spanish; 'Elyon' in Hebrew:// check the meanings]may very well be the Messiah. What does the Holy Spirit tell you about the fact that he was drawn out of the waters as was Moses, and betrayed on Easter Sabbath evening by govt. troops with weapons drawn? (and no, that ain't all) Shalom Alechem
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