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Luke and Matthews geneologies

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Asgara
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Message 138 of 168 (62269)
10-23-2003 1:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 135 by Quiz
10-23-2003 1:07 AM

Re: The correct way to look at it!
a few problems...
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the Matthew genealogy comes through Jeconiah who is cursed in Jeremiah to never have offspring on the throne of David
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the Luke genealogy goes through Nathan not Solomon...in 2Samuel it is Solomon's line that will forever sit on the throne of David
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Please don't say the lines converged after Zarubabel as this brings us back to Jeconiah's line
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As far as the cousin comment goes...where does this come from?
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Message 140 of 168 (62272)
10-23-2003 1:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 139 by Quiz
10-23-2003 1:51 AM

Re: The correct way to look at it!
sorry Quiz...you didn't answer any of my questions. Jeconiah? Nathan? cousins??
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Message 142 of 168 (62277)
10-23-2003 2:40 AM 		Reply to: Message 141 by Quiz
10-23-2003 2:02 AM

Re: The correct way to look at it!
what part?
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Jeconiah - Jeremiah 22 - curse culminates in vs 30
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and actually the genealogies in Matt, Luke and I Chron all come thru the cursed line of Jeconiah
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There are many questions concerning Jeconiah that were brought up in another thread...you may be interested in reading it
http://EvC Forum: Yaro's 'Logical fallacies' discussion... -->EvC Forum: Yaro's 'Logical fallacies' discussion...
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10-23-2003 10:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 146 by Quiz
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Re: The correct way to look at it!
First of all, I have read the bible.
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Second - Jeconiah, Coniah, Jehoiachin are the same person - did you read the entire chapter? Coniah/Jeconiah is the cursed form of the name Jehoiachin
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Jehoiakim is Jehoiachin/Jeconiah/Coniah's father, Shealtiel/Salathiel is Jehoiachin/Jeconiah/Coniah's son and Zerubbabel is Shealtiel/Salathiel's son.
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Both Matt and Luke trace the line back to Jeconiah's offspring
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10-24-2003 1:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 149 by Quiz
10-23-2003 6:09 PM

Re: The correct way to look at it!
Luke's record however, is a father-to-son listing linking Joseph to King David. Of course, Jesus was not Joseph's son, But Joseph's genealogy is essentially Mary's genealogy, for they were cousins; Jesus inherited from his mother, Mary, the blood of David and therefor the right to David's throne. Jesus was born in the royal line.
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Ok I see the problem, both lines in Matt, Luke have nothing to do with the savior. They are Joseph' line as we all know Joseph was not Jesus' REAL father but step father if you will.
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Quiz, How do these two quotes of yours add up? Either the genealogies attempt to show the royal line to Jesus or they have nothing to do with him...which is it?
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Asgara
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10-24-2003 4:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 159 by Quiz
10-24-2003 3:33 AM

Re: The correct way to look at it!
Ok Quiz,
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You have to make up your mind. In a previous post you said that Mary's line is Joseph's also as they are cousins. Please give me the references to this claim. I am unaware of any genealogy claimed for Mary, let alone one coming from David and related to Joseph. The two genealogies in the NT referenced to Jesus' line are both descended from Jeconiah.
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It has been argued (here and elsewhere) that the Matt genealogy is Joseph's and Luke's is Mary's. Both are listed as leading to Joseph though they don't match up. Luke mentions Heli as Joseph's father and Heli's father is Matthat. Matt lists Jacob as Joseph's father with Matthan as Jacob's father.
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Neither of these genealogies line up with ANY names listed I Chron.
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I put together a short and quick table of the names listed in the genealogies and put it on my site here
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Asgara
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