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Author Topic:   Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
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Message 33 of 313 (407223)
06-25-2007 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by PaulK
06-23-2007 4:58 AM


Logical conclusions
PaulK writes:

Jesus was wrong.

Thats quite an assertion! Of course, I suppose that you don't hold any particular reverence for Jesus, so I suppose that you feel quite comfortable judging his words as those of a mere man (or even as a myth)

It all boils down to belief...for there are no solid facts that can establish the source of inspiration for much of the Bible.

We can track down the authors in some cases, and we can connect the dots as far as timeframes and authenticity or lack of same....

God can never be proven.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 40 of 313 (407338)
06-25-2007 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by jar
06-25-2007 10:15 AM


Re: Logical conclusions
and if reality is not originating from God, it originates from.....where, exactly?

Human observation and testing?

Gotcha! :rolleyes: Just checking to see a source that seems more solid than prior assumptions.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 72 of 313 (643524)
12-07-2011 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
06-24-2007 8:38 PM


Re: Christianity is serious, End Time Prophecy is just nonsense
jar writes:

Well I take Christianity very seriously and the End Times Prophecy folk simply pervert all of the teachings. They are ignorant of what is actually in the Bible, and ignorant of the world we live in.

ArcherOpterix writes:

Here it is at last, dear fundies: your chance to demonstrate real foreknowledge.

Don't tell us what has already happened. Pick up your Bibles and tell us, based on that reading, what will happen. Tell us the headlines we'll be seeing 12 months from now. Give us something in advance that we can check against the real thing.

OK, I will go out on a limb. I'm basing my prophecy on Revelation 13:15–18.

Wiki writes:

A preterist view of the Mark of the Beast is the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell.[51] New Testament scholar Craig C. Hill says, "It is far more probable that the mark symbolizes the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). It had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry."[52] A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester. "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God."[53](...)A futurist view of the mark of the Beast is the rise of a supranational currency could be a hallmark of the End Times and that the mark of the beast will be a sign on the forehead and/or upper side of the hand.[54]

Religious difficulties with a supranational currency currently exist (see World currency – Political difficulties). According to the Futurist view, to overcome the extant difficulties the Antichrist will use forced religious syncretism[55] (i.e. in the name of counterterrorism and world economic stability) to enable the creation of the supranational currency. Some interpret the mark as a requirement for all commerce to mean that the mark might actually be an object with the function of a credit card, such as subdermal RFID tags.[56]

My prediction is that due to the all consuming debt that is causing banking concerns all over the world, some political genius will come up with the idea to forever make humans responsible for paying this debt and at the same time take care of our issues with retirement and healthcare. We will be forced, somehow, to be undeniably responsible for our individual shares of this debt..(so that the holders of the debt can get paid.) I wont go so far as to predict a hand or forehead scenario...but will say that in order for us to get social security retirement or national(global?) health care, we will be forced to pay this debt and will be unable to get out of it. in essence, humans themselves will be the collateral backing this new system. Nobody will be able to opt out of it, and everybody will be equally responsible for paying the debts that are now plaguing us worldwide.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 74 of 313 (643530)
12-07-2011 5:37 PM
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12-07-2011 5:27 PM


Re: Christianity is serious, End Time Prophecy is just nonsense
BibleGateway writes:

Revelation 13:15–18--

New International Version (NIV)

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[a] That number is 666.
Footnotes:

Revelation 13:18 Or is humanity’s number

it says all people. I can shoehorn the beasts in later...im sure they refer to something that we all worship.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 76 of 313 (643532)
12-07-2011 5:46 PM
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12-07-2011 5:41 PM


Re: Christianity is serious, End Time Prophecy is just nonsense
OK, I'll give you that. But tell me...Mr."The Bill Will Get Paid"...what would happen if Americans, faced with excessive mandatory tax increases and a reduction in basic services...refused to pay your bill?

I bet we would not be able to buy anything. If we had real estate, we couldn't sell it without having the proceeds confiscated.

What if we the people simply decided that the 1% were not getting paid?


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Message 78 of 313 (643558)
12-08-2011 10:31 AM
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12-07-2011 5:53 PM


End of US will be self fulfilling prophecy
What if we the people simply decided that the 1% were not getting paid?

jar writes:

The first thing is that all the foreign suppliers of the products on Safeway's shelves would stop selling to the US.

The countries selling oil would stop selling to the US.

There would be no food, no transportation to ship anything, no electric power and within 60 days the US would either be in total chaos or break up.

Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy to me. I would not doubt that there are still enough religious yet unthinking people here in the US to make such a scenario likely. I also expect that we in the US will have our own revolution of sorts.

These people don't understand how the debt got to be the way it is, and probably would never believe that it was to a large degree their fault.

Of course, before the country broke up, I expect that there would be some sort of martial law, which would confirm their suspicions that the government worked for the 1% and not for the masses.

Ever hear of confirmation bias?


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Message 198 of 313 (700645)
06-05-2013 12:30 PM
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06-05-2013 5:40 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
I remember when there was the G7...and then Russia joined tentatively so that there were "7 and an 8th not of the 7"....and I thought it was symbolic...until they became the G20...which has no symbolism whatsoever, apart from the fact that the world is becoming lots bigger and that the United States may no longer be a global power....this is the end times for US baby boomers with a sense of entitlement....it would be nice if Jesus rescued us from this hellhole of getting poorer....

The awful truth: education won't stop the west getting poorer

I could almost see a war developing if the US middle class were squeezed clean out of the picture....


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Message 202 of 313 (700682)
06-05-2013 10:12 PM
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06-05-2013 3:35 PM


Endtime Battles
jar writes:

Just who would this "war" be between? Just how would it help the US middle class?

It would be against the wealthy people...those who own stock in corporations and those who are corporate leaders. It would be rage directed at the audacity of picking cheaper global labor over the US worker. It would be a class war that would tear down the mansions and the temples(corporate headquarters) of these entitled class of people who dared to build their own American Dream on the backs of foreign labor while ignoring the US citizens who allowed their prosperity to happen.
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Thugpreacha
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Message 212 of 313 (700704)
06-06-2013 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Theodoric
06-05-2013 10:59 PM


Re: Endtime Battles
Theodoric writes:

I own a good bit of stock in corporations, primarily through 401K's and IRA's, so I am bad and need to be warred upon?

No, as long as you don't favor the notion that profits do not need to take into consideration employee wages. Wages are not simply some 2 dimensional bottom line expense to be trimmed so as to accommodate a balance sheet. Wages are part of necessary expenses and employees are three dimensional people just as much as stockholders and corporate executives are.

To ignore the needs of domestic wage earners while continuing to focus on shareholder returns and corporate salaries is an evil that should not go unpunished.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 220 of 313 (700758)
06-06-2013 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Theodoric
06-06-2013 9:51 PM


Value Of Josephus Writings
Theodoric writes:

Why does what Josephus, a historian(and traitor to the jewish people)not a religious scholar, matter?

I did a bit of online research and found your summation of Josephus to be far from conclusive nor even a majority view. Sometimes I wonder why so many people try so hard to disprove the obvious.
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Thugpreacha
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Message 293 of 313 (701270)
06-15-2013 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by jar
06-04-2013 8:51 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
jar writes:

End Time Prophecy has never ever been fulfilled.

And if it were, none of us would be here to talk about it, would we?

Let me ask you this...since you have read the Bible...

Does the book indicate that Jesus will come back?


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