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New Cat's Eye
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Message 82 of 313 (700024)
05-29-2013 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by PaulGL
05-29-2013 2:16 PM


Re: Europe: land of the antichrist
Hello Mr. Lemon,

Your post is over 6000 words, many of which are copied and pasted from the book "Earth's earliest ages, and their connection with modern spiritualism". I've also found where you've posted the exact same words on other websites last year.

Sorry, but that isn't what we do here.


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Message 97 of 313 (700100)
05-30-2013 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by PaulGL
05-29-2013 4:09 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Since you take offense at my quoting of

No, the problem is that you didn't quote them,

quote:
like this

or this

Instead you submitted them as if they were your own words, like these. And you didn't include the source either. You basically plagiarized.

That's against the rules that you agreed to follow when you signed up here.

Hal Lindsey in his book 'The Late, Great Planet Earth' stated

Hal Lindsey was a liar and a fraud. He's committed the unforgivable sin: blaspheming the Holy Spirit. He should be shunned, not mentioned.

So, do you have a problem with this post, and if so, why?

Well, all that antichrist stuff is just a bunch of bullshit.

Regarding all the European Union crap, wiki has summed it up nicely:

quote:
According to Lindsey, the alliance of Western European nations is a revived form of the ancient Roman Empire; predicted in the books of Daniel and Revelation symbolically as ten horns and ten kings. In The Late Great Planet Earth, Lindsey quotes from a 1969 Time Magazine that the goal of the European Economic Community, which preceded the European Union, was to establish a ten-nation economic community. Lindsey concludes, based on this and other sources, that this alliance will lead to the fulfillment of this prophecy and will ultimately be ruled by the Antichrist. The European Union currently has 27 members. source

Obviously the European Union has nothing to do with the Book of Revelation or any end times prophecy.


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Message 106 of 313 (700136)
05-30-2013 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 1:24 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Each footnoted quotation had a numerical superscript at the end which linked it to its source- as recorded in the bibliography.

It is?

Here's an example, you wrote:

We must not, however, dismiss the story of doom, which we have just been considering without some reflections on the solemn warning drawn from it by the Savior. "But as the days of Noah were," is His awful declaration, "so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. For as the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matt.xxiv.37﷓39). Thus the closing scenes of this present age will be a reproduction of the days of Noah: the. same intense worldliness, and at last positive inability to care for the things of God, which was displayed by the antediluvians, will also be characteristic of our world when Christ begins the judgments that will quickly culminate in the glory of His appearing.

It seems fair, then, to infer that this second manifestation of the spirit that worked in them who were disobedient before the flood will be effected by a conjunction of causes similar to that which formerly produced it. And hence, as we have already remarked, it becomes a matter of the greatest practical importance to comprehend these causes: for whenever they are again found to be simultaneously affecting the mass of the world's population, the fact will afford a strong presumption that we are drifting rapidly to the great consummation of wickedness; that the avenging glory of the Lord is about to be revealed, so that all flesh shall see it together.... The seven great causes of the antediluvian apostasy have been already noticed, and may summed up as follows.
I. A tendency to worship God as Elohim, that is, merely as the Creator and Benefactor, and not as Jehovah the covenant God of mercy, dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction, and finding a ransom for them.
II. An undue prominence of the female sex, and a disregard of the primal law of marriage.
III. A rapid progress in the mechanical arts, and the consequent invention of
many devices whereby the hardships of the curse were mitigated, and life was rendered more easy and indulgent. Also a proficiency in the fine arts, which captivated the minds of men, and helped to induce an entire oblivion of God.
IV. An alliance between the nominal church and the world, which speedily resulted in a complete amalgamation.
V. A vast increase of population.
VI. The rejection of the preaching of Enoch (and Noah) whose warning thus became a savoir of death unto the world, and hardened men beyond recovery.
VII. The appearance upon earth of beings from the Principality of the Air,
and their unlawful intercourse with the human race. 304

I can find that exact same thing beginning at the third paragraph on page 14, book page 139, of this pdf:

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pember.pdf

Is that where you copied it from? Where in your post do you indicate that it was a quote and where do you tell us where you quoted it from?


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 112 of 313 (700147)
05-30-2013 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 3:50 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
See the "304" at the end of that paragraph? It is called a superscript, and- as I told you denotes footnoted material (quotations from other sources) and the number itself references an index which gives the exact source and location (In this particular case from G. H. Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages".)

Where does it tell me that "304" = G. H. Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages"?


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Message 168 of 313 (700543)
06-04-2013 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
06-03-2013 6:16 PM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
The usual problem is that most of the Church is blind to the fact that the RCC is a CONTINUING persecutor of true believers, continues to plot against Protestantism to this day.

Meanwhile, all you're doing is spreading lies about the Catholics as far and loud as you know how: On the internet.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 177 of 313 (700554)
06-04-2013 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:51 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm talking about the Vatican and its history,

Oh, I didn't realize that the Vatican wasn't Catholic... please enlighten me of all these other things that are exactly what you say they are.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 180 of 313 (700557)
06-04-2013 11:50 AM
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06-04-2013 11:43 AM


Does a one-legged Pope shit in the woods?
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Message 214 of 313 (700733)
06-06-2013 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:03 PM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
Of course all this is offensive to Catholics but I'd hope to get it across that I'm aware that the vast majority of members of the Catholic Church are good sincere people who would be appalled to know what I'm beginning to know about the history of the RC Church, the papacy and the Jesuits in particular.

You can't even get the most basic and obvious facts about our world correct, so there's no doubt whatever it is you're beginning to "know" is just a bunch of retarded nonsensical lies.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 222 of 313 (700761)
06-07-2013 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
06-06-2013 11:12 PM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
I reject evolution which has nothing to do with getting facts straight, it has to do with REJECTING EVOLUTION, and you make that an excuse to discredit everything else I say. Such integrity.

Its very telling that your faith has more to do with REJECTING EVOLUTION than it does getting your facts straight. That's eludes most of the problem with worshiping the Bible, itself, first and foremost before even God or Christ.

But I wasn't talking about just rejecting evolution. I was talking about even basic and obvious stuff. Your posting history speaks for itself.

Here's a recent concrete example:

Message 357

You just make up whatever bullshit you have to in order to keep that magic book of yours suitable for worship.

I don't really give a shit what you believe, but you are spreading lies about a group of people that includes me. And your pride and arrogance just rub me the wrong way.

I don't have to discredit you because you have zero credit already. You're a laughingstock. A disgrace to both Christians and America.

How's that for integrity?


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Message 285 of 313 (701241)
06-14-2013 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Faith
06-14-2013 11:46 AM


Why is so much being made out of this very simple thing?

Because its incredibly stupid to see "Europa on the bull" as being "the harlot on the beast". They're too different to be seen as similar by anyone other than those with wishful thinking. It exposes the naivety and credulity of the Protestant end-times prophecy crap.

Europa rides a bull. A bull is nothing like the beast in Revelations.

From Message 161:

quote:
What I was thinking of is the statue of Europa riding a bull outside the building that houses the EU Parliament in Strasbourg and another in front of another EU building in Brussels. Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation, who is generally understood to be the Harlot Church, a false worldwide religious system headed by the Vatican.

You're just grasping at straws. Its pretty pathetic, really.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.


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Message 292 of 313 (701260)
06-14-2013 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Faith
06-14-2013 1:05 PM


NOBODY IS GRASPING AT ANYTHING.

Sure you are, you're trying to say that Europa on a bull is indicitive of the harlot on the beast. Its ridiculous.

Europa riding a bull is ancient greek mythology. It predates chrisitan mythology. It has nothing to do with Revelations at all. The beast that the harlet rode wasn't just "dangerous or wild", it was downright supernatural with its multiple heads n'stuff. A bull couldn't possibly represent that creature.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OCCURS INTUITIVELY.

That's because you're incredibly credulous when it comes to end-times prophesy. Anything even remotely similiar is latched onto as a possibility. There's no honesty or rigor, its just whatever intuitively makes you think you're right about something.

THERE IS NO WAY THERE COULD BE A PERFECT MATCH WITH THE REVELATION IMAGE, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

You don't know that. With God, all things are possible. Too bad you worship a book instead.

If you want it to be some kind of prophesy, then you're going to have to have some kind of match. This one isn't even close.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A SUGGESTIVE IMPRESSION. PERIOD.

A worthless, wishfully thought, grasping at straws, ridiculously suggested, impression.

AND MANY OF US ARRIVED AT IT INDEPENDENTLY.

That's because you are all, together, being tricked by the devil into seeing things that aren't really there. He's got a firm grasp on your lot, indeed.

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?

We're honest.


Oh, and you need to look at this:


http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences/capslock

Notice the T-shirt...

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 301 of 313 (701351)
06-17-2013 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by foreveryoung
06-17-2013 3:02 PM


Europa riding a bull is ancient greek mythology. It predates chrisitan mythology. It has nothing to do with Revelations at all.

Where do you think John got the idea for his prophecy from? Answer: ancient greek mythology.

Oh, I thought it was a revelation from Jesus. I didn't realize he was just ripping off the greeks.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 303 of 313 (701360)
06-17-2013 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by foreveryoung
06-17-2013 6:38 PM


Then you can't distinguish the influence of the case in question as being either from the greeks or from the prophesy.

ABE:

Maybe I should expound a bit:

We're talking about this coin:

And people saying that it's indicative of the harlot and the beast from Revelations.

I think that's stupid. Do you disagree?

I say that it was influenced by the greek myth about Europa and the bull, ya know, what with being a Euro and all.

You can't claim that Revelations was also influenced by greek mythology and then conclude that this is indicative of Revelations because you're not ruling out that this was just influenced by the greeks without anything at all coming from Revelations.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE


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