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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
CWHJr writes: Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum. Did you come here for confirmation of what you have been spoon-fed? If so, you are wasting your time. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
There's nothing in the Tower of Babel story that suggests rebellion against God. It seems more like an attempt to get closer to God. It also seems that God was afraid of human unity, much like He was afraid of human knowledge in the Garden of Eden.
Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God...
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'm not a Bible debunker. I'm simply pointing out what the Bible says, as opposed to your baseless made-up version.
Common charity should forbid such hubris, such chutzpah, but that's in short supply these days among the Bible debunkers. Faith writes:
But not in the Bible. There's really little point in trying to explain the true understanding. It's available in any orthodox Commentary. Edited by ringo, : Spellinge.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Of course he told Noah and his progeny to disperse. You can't replenish the earth while you're standing on a mountaintop. He told Noah to multiply and replenish the earth. That's Genesis 9:1. The command was certainly conveyed to Noah's progeny. But it's just ludicrous to suggest that He meant they should never congregate together. If He did, you'd better stop going to church. That's what the Tower of Babel was, the equvalent of your church building. The dispersion of languages is a separate matter.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Moses climbed Mount Sinai to commune with God. Equating altitude with closeness to God is, in fact, a pretty universal idea. Your idea about lack of humility is what is self-invented.
The Tower of Babel seems to have represented pagan religion and what the scripture calls "will worship," that is self-invented worship, as well as the desire to climb up to God's seat rather than taking a humble role. It is certainly not the same as Christian worship. Faith writes:
The whole dispersal business is something you made up. It isn't in the Bible. God told Noah to go forth and replenish the earth. That is not a command to disperse. It's just about using the available land.
Never congregate together? The amazing things that get made up to contradict God. Dispersing throughout the earth would have been done in tribes after all, not as individuals.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So it's a second-hand fiction that isn't in the Bible.
I didn't make it up, Ringo, it's what a number of commentators on the Tower of Babel say, both about the dispersion and about the height. Faith writes:
That's what I said. The dispersal was incidental. It was also necessary to go downhill from Mount Ararat but the downhill part was incidental. It wasn't a command from God to always go downhill.
They couldn't replenish the earth without dispersing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The necessary dispersal had already happened, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to come back together at Babel. You can't have a reaction before the action. It isn't necessary to read any disobedience into the passage. What they were refusing to do was to disperse, the dispersal that was necessary for replenishing the earth. It's funny that I take the Bible more literally than you do. You accept the word of the commentators over what the Bible actually says. If it isn't in the Bible, you should be wary of it, no matter how reputable the commentators are.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Stop making up nonsense. There is nothing in the Bible account to suggest that there was any kind of a "dispersal problem". For God's sake, read what the Bible says, not what some goober says it says. You're making Christians look bad.
Babel is in the general vicinity of where Noah and family debarked, the dispersal called for was across the entire world.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That isn't particularly unusual. A couple of miles from my house, there's a statue of Queen Elizabeth II riding a horse. Woman riding beast. There are ten provinces in Canada. Coincidence? Yes, of course it is. There are probably hundreds of similar scenarios around the world that fit the Revelation as well as yours or better.
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Women used to ride bulls in ancient Crete, didn't they? Apparently, the End Times are long past. I ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT THE BEAST HAS TO BE A WILD OR DANGEROUS BEAST. A WOMAN RIDING A BULL IS AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE. (You don't have to yell. I'm not as young as I used to be but I can still see lower case if I wear my glasses.)
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ringo Member (Idle past 709 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Davidjay writes:
Magic numbers are repeated because they're magic numbers, not because they have any significance in reality.
... 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read)
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