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Author Topic:   Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
ringo
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Message 27 of 313 (407162)
06-24-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 5:18 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
CWHJr writes:

Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum.

Did you come here for confirmation of what you have been spoon-fed? If so, you are wasting your time.


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Message 199 of 313 (700648)
06-05-2013 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God...


There's nothing in the Tower of Babel story that suggests rebellion against God. It seems more like an attempt to get closer to God. It also seems that God was afraid of human unity, much like He was afraid of human knowledge in the Garden of Eden.

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Message 240 of 313 (700812)
06-07-2013 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
06-06-2013 12:06 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

Common charity should forbid such hubris, such chutzpah, but that's in short supply these days among the Bible debunkers.


I'm not a Bible debunker. I'm simply pointing out what the Bible says, as opposed to your baseless made-up version.

Faith writes:

There's really little point in trying to explain the true understanding. It's available in any orthodox Commentary.


But not in the Bible.

Edited by ringo, : Spellinge.


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Message 241 of 313 (700814)
06-07-2013 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
06-06-2013 2:09 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

He told Noah to multiply and replenish the earth. That's Genesis 9:1. The command was certainly conveyed to Noah's progeny.


Of course he told Noah and his progeny to disperse. You can't replenish the earth while you're standing on a mountaintop.

But it's just ludicrous to suggest that He meant they should never congregate together. If He did, you'd better stop going to church. That's what the Tower of Babel was, the equvalent of your church building.

The dispersion of languages is a separate matter.


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Message 255 of 313 (700918)
06-09-2013 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Faith
06-08-2013 3:01 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

The Tower of Babel seems to have represented pagan religion and what the scripture calls "will worship," that is self-invented worship, as well as the desire to climb up to God's seat rather than taking a humble role. It is certainly not the same as Christian worship.


Moses climbed Mount Sinai to commune with God. Equating altitude with closeness to God is, in fact, a pretty universal idea. Your idea about lack of humility is what is self-invented.

Faith writes:

Never congregate together? The amazing things that get made up to contradict God. Dispersing throughout the earth would have been done in tribes after all, not as individuals.


The whole dispersal business is something you made up. It isn't in the Bible. God told Noah to go forth and replenish the earth. That is not a command to disperse. It's just about using the available land.

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Message 257 of 313 (700921)
06-09-2013 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
06-09-2013 5:48 PM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

I didn't make it up, Ringo, it's what a number of commentators on the Tower of Babel say, both about the dispersion and about the height.


So it's a second-hand fiction that isn't in the Bible.

Faith writes:

They couldn't replenish the earth without dispersing.


That's what I said. The dispersal was incidental. It was also necessary to go downhill from Mount Ararat but the downhill part was incidental. It wasn't a command from God to always go downhill.

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Message 261 of 313 (700991)
06-10-2013 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Faith
06-09-2013 8:58 PM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

What they were refusing to do was to disperse, the dispersal that was necessary for replenishing the earth.


The necessary dispersal had already happened, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to come back together at Babel. You can't have a reaction before the action. It isn't necessary to read any disobedience into the passage.

It's funny that I take the Bible more literally than you do. You accept the word of the commentators over what the Bible actually says. If it isn't in the Bible, you should be wary of it, no matter how reputable the commentators are.


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Message 264 of 313 (701204)
06-13-2013 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Faith
06-10-2013 6:39 PM


Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes:

Babel is in the general vicinity of where Noah and family debarked, the dispersal called for was across the entire world.


Stop making up nonsense. There is nothing in the Bible account to suggest that there was any kind of a "dispersal problem". For God's sake, read what the Bible says, not what some goober says it says. You're making Christians look bad.

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ringo
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Message 286 of 313 (701244)
06-14-2013 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Faith
06-14-2013 11:46 AM


Faith writes:

Woman riding beast.


That isn't particularly unusual. A couple of miles from my house, there's a statue of Queen Elizabeth II riding a horse.

There are ten provinces in Canada. Coincidence?

Yes, of course it is. There are probably hundreds of similar scenarios around the world that fit the Revelation as well as yours or better.


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Message 289 of 313 (701256)
06-14-2013 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Faith
06-14-2013 1:02 PM


Faith writes:

I ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT THE BEAST HAS TO BE A WILD OR DANGEROUS BEAST. A WOMAN RIDING A BULL IS AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE.


Women used to ride bulls in ancient Crete, didn't they? Apparently, the End Times are long past.

(You don't have to yell. I'm not as young as I used to be but I can still see lower case if I wear my glasses.)


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ringo
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Message 309 of 313 (804005)
04-06-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 5:17 PM


Davidjay writes:

... 10 nations exactly.... Daniel 2, ten toes, ten horns in Revelation etc etc etc.... truths are always repeated over and over and over again in the Design Book of Prophecy, so none can say they have an excuse (if they can read)


Magic numbers are repeated because they're magic numbers, not because they have any significance in reality.

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