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Dr Adequate
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Message 81 of 313 (700023)
05-29-2013 2:32 PM
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05-29-2013 2:16 PM


Re: Europe: land of the antichrist
The instrument in accomplishing this amalgamation was the abbot Dionysus the Little, to whom also we owe it, as modern chronologers have demonstrated, that the date of the Christian era, or of the birth of Christ Himself, was moved FOUR YEARS from the true time. Whether this was done through ignorance or design may be a matter of question; but there seems to be no doubt of the fact, that the birth of the Lord Jesus was made full four years later than
Tails generally grow in size as comets near the sun; some comet tails have reached lengths of more than 100 million miles. 315

Could you explain what this means? Thanks.


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Message 84 of 313 (700041)
05-29-2013 5:05 PM
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05-29-2013 4:09 PM


Hal Lindsey
1. Hal Lindsey in his book 'The Late, Great Planet Earth' stated (the then popular notion that when the (currently 9) European Common market acquired it's 10th member, then the result would be the prophesied 10-nation confederacy under the antichrist. I haven't seen any apologies or corrections in the time since membership hit 11 and more.

Is this the same Hal Lindsey who said that "the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it", who wrote that the apocalypse would come "within forty years or so of 1948", and who predicted that the Soviet Union (which no longer exists) would attack Israel? Yeah, he's got a great track record as a prophet of God.

Wait, no he doesn't.

Doesn't the Bible say that false prophets should be stoned to death?

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Message 88 of 313 (700046)
05-29-2013 5:29 PM
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05-29-2013 5:18 PM


Re: Hal Lindsey
Absolutely right! There seems to be an ongoing tendency for people with an audience to put words in God's mouth. I am chief sinner, I talk more than God speaks. Not perfect- that's why He paid my price.
Unfortunately, modern speakers don't have the prophetic courage of their convictions to first state: "If I get this wrong, kill me". Too bad Charles Russel's followers didn't have the gumption to stop his heresy by stoning.

So since Hal Lindsey is a false prophet who should be stoned to death, why are you using him as a reference?


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Message 90 of 313 (700048)
05-29-2013 5:35 PM
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05-29-2013 5:27 PM


Re: Europe: land of the antichrist
The Antichrist will embody all of the desirable natural human attributes. He will be highly intelligent, tremendously charismatic, and probably very handsome physically.

I've got to admit, that does sound like me.


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Message 91 of 313 (700051)
05-29-2013 5:44 PM
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05-29-2013 5:25 PM


Re: Europe: land of the antichrist
Yeah, the thing is that it doesn't make any sense.

Read it through again, carefully:

that the birth of the Lord Jesus was made full four years later than Tails generally grow in size as comets near the sun; some comet tails have reached lengths of more than 100 million miles. 315

That's what you wrote. Don't you see a problem with it?


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Message 134 of 313 (700253)
05-31-2013 2:34 PM
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05-30-2013 3:55 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Neither of which were part of the then (time of writing of Revelation) know civilized world. So your post is totally irrelevant

But isn't the Book of Revelation meant to be a prophecy about the future? And aren't you posting on a thread which identifies the European Union with the Antichrist? You can't identify the EU as the Antichrist and then dismiss other candidates as not being the Antichrist on the grounds that John didn't know about them. The EU didn't exist at the time of John either.


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Message 140 of 313 (700277)
05-31-2013 7:15 PM
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05-31-2013 5:31 PM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
Every Pope is an Antichrist, because the Pope claims to occupy the seat of Christ while his teachings deny Christ. There are many lesser antichrists in the world as well, and I'm one who believes that there is yet THE Antichrist to come, the final Antichrist scripture says Jesus will destroy at His second coming. He may be a Pope or like Hitler a wannabe world conquerer who is backed by the Pope, who then would be thought of as the False Prophet.

So there can be lots of antichrists?

Maybe you're one of them, how would I tell?

But the subject of this thread would be the identification of the Antichrist.

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Message 166 of 313 (700541)
06-04-2013 10:30 AM
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06-04-2013 9:03 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
What I was thinking of is the statue of Europa riding a bull outside the building that houses the EU Parliament in Strasbourg and another in front of another EU building in Brussels. Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation ...

They don't immediately recognize her as Europa riding a bull?

I found this blog that includes these statues, plus the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colosseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel ...

It doesn't remind them of the Roman Colosseum, then?

Some time ago I'd noticed that the flag of the Council of Europe is a circle of twelve stars on a blue background which immediately reminded me of the woman in Revelation with a crown of twelve stars and the moon under her feet, and I discovered that the designer of the flag did in fact have her in mind, as I report at my own blog. This is another Roman Catholic symbol as they conceive it.

I believe she appears in Protestant Bibles too.

The fact that ten countries are at least foundational to the EU also reflects Bible prophecy of a revived Roman Empire in the last days made up of ten nations.

The phrase "at least foundational" has no apparent meaning, and the European Union is made up of 27 nations.

It's not particularly relevant to this discussion I suppose but in that post I also got carried away about the EU anthem being Beethoven's Ode to Joy which is a wondrously pagan one-world theme song.

You what?

I've also heard that in one of the main council rooms, maybe the parliament, that Chair Number 666 has been pointedly left vacant. That I'd have to look up again, but I'm mostly writing this off the top of my head, maybe I can find more later.

Next time you find something like that on the top of your head, maybe you should just wash it off instead of showing people.


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Message 179 of 313 (700556)
06-04-2013 11:45 AM
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06-04-2013 10:48 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Ah a plodding literalist. Well of course those who designed Europa riding the bull most likely didn't have the Book of Revelation in mind, but she does nevertheless conjure that image for some of a more perspicacious turn of mind.

That's not how you spell "paranoid". It's an image of Europa, symbolizing Europe. It's not the woman in Revelation, because:

* She isn't "arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls".

* She doesn't have a golden cup.

* The words "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" aren't written on her forehead.

* The beast she's riding doesn't have "seven heads and ten horns".

It's Europa on a bull, isn't it?

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals, the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.

That's not obvious, that's reaching.

The INTERPRETATION of the woman used by the flag designer is Roman Catholic, that is, Mary, but Protestants interpret her as Israel and the Church.

And you're a Protestant, if I remember.

I said "at least foundational" because ten nations are for some reason made emblematic of the EU in various ways, such as on the commemorative coin I mentioned.

Where are they "made emblematic"? The EU has never had ten member states, and the idea that the fan-shaped thing on the coin represents the ten nations that it never actually contained, and certainly not at the time the coin was minted, is simply something you like to imagine. So what you've got to support your bizarre thesis is a coin with ten things on it.

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Message 182 of 313 (700579)
06-04-2013 7:49 PM
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06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.

Yes, well, your idea of what is logical makes logicians want to throw rocks at you while shouting "That is not logical!"

Why would it represent the "first ten member states" when the EU never had ten member states?

The Wikipedia article says the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with ten original states.

And the Council of Europe and the EU are two different things. The way that they have different names is kind of a clue.

Yeah, Europa on a bull doesn't match the particulars in Revelation, we just find it highly suggestive.

You find everything highly suggestive. This is one of the things you have in common with paranoid schizophrenic lunatics.

Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God, and that they modeled some major architecture on the Roman Colosseum which Breughel's painting also mimics, is HIGHLY suggestive of Biblical end times themes.

And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm?

Lots of ROMAN imagery here you know. Prophecy points to a revived Roman Empire as the seat of the final Antichrist.

What do you think of the empty 666 chair?

That's just mad ranting, isn't it?


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Message 196 of 313 (700641)
06-05-2013 11:50 AM
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06-04-2013 7:55 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Na, there's no schizophrenia here, it's just interesting and fun to play with symbolism.

Yeah, you can have hours of fun with the Book of Revelation if you treat it as a kind of party game. Just try not to take it too seriously.


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Message 197 of 313 (700642)
06-05-2013 12:10 PM
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06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
ABE: Hey Here's a page that gives better pictures than the blogger I linked before. The Parliament Building in Brussels was actually DESIGNED to look like Breughel's Tower of Babel and it's called The Tower Building.

Well, that's what the looney who wrote the webpage says. However, he gives no references.

I'd also note that the stars in the poster are rather pointedly shaped like the Baphomet image, the devil's head.

You what?

And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm?

OK, it symbolizes that notorious ungodly Satanic harlot, the Virgin Mary. Have it your way.

What do you think of the empty 666 chair?

I'd say that it's bollocks, 'cos I just looked it up. You can find the current seating plans for the two Parliament buildings here. In Strasbourg a chap called Luhan sits in seat 666, in Brussels a guy called Lichtenberger. The Antichrist is going to be so pissed off when he turns up and finds someone sitting in his chair, it'll be the whole Goldilocks fiasco all over again.


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Message 205 of 313 (700688)
06-06-2013 12:21 AM
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06-06-2013 12:06 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
So amazing to me that someone can come along and blithely contradict the understanding of the scripture that has been handed down for millennia ...

But it hasn't been handed down for millennia. You made it up yesterday. There's nothing in Scripture to say they were rebelling against God. He never told them not to build their tower, did he? Instead, he says: "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is what they begin to do; and now nothing will be withholden from them, which they purpose to do". That is, he's worried that they're going to get above themselves (so to speak) not that they're violating some commandment against building big towers which somehow he forgot to actually give them.


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Message 207 of 313 (700690)
06-06-2013 12:56 AM
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06-06-2013 12:24 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
That the Tower of Babel was human rebellion is standard theology handed down for millennia. The part you quote is normally taken as a clue to this by those who understand the scripture, which obviously you don't. Get a clue.

But that's simply not what the Bible says. It's a gloss on the text which has no relationship to the text. As for "handed down for millennia", please produce the clay tablet you are using as a reference.


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Message 209 of 313 (700692)
06-06-2013 1:15 AM
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06-06-2013 1:07 AM


Re: Tower of Babel
God had commanded them to disperse ...

... very quietly, so no-one could hear him.

And it helps to consult commentaries to correct your misreadings.

Ah, so much for sola scriptura. So is anyone allowed to tell me what the Bible means, or do they need a special hat?


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