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Panda
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Message 162 of 313 (700537)
06-04-2013 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:03 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

I found this blog that includes these statues, plus the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colisseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel -- quite pointedly if you look at the poster this blogger found.


Why does a building that imitates the Roman Colosseum remind you of the Tower of Babel?
Does it look like it?
Could you post a link to a painting/drawing of what the Tower of Babel actually looked like, so that I can compare?

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Panda
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Message 164 of 313 (700539)
06-04-2013 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:50 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

I did post the link to that blog that has pictures of the building, Breughel's painting of the Tower of Babel and an EU poster that refers to the Tower of Babel. Maybe the link doesn't show up clearly enough in my post?


Well, the poster was a drawing of Bruegel's painting - so I am not surprised it looks like Bruegel's painting.

But Bruegel's painting was made many thousands of years after Babel was destroyed, yes?
So what was the painting based on? Well, Bruegel based it on the Roman Colosseum.
And what was the EU building based on? Answer: the Roman Colosseum.

In summary: Bruegel's painting - which was based on the Roman Colosseum - reminds you of the EU Parliament building - which was based on the Roman Colosseum.

So - back to my unanswered questions:
Why does a building that imitates the Roman Colosseum remind you of the Tower of Babel?
Does it look like it?

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"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 167 of 313 (700542)
06-04-2013 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:20 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

OK it reminds us of a famous painting of the Tower of Babel. The imagery is striking, and the EU poster confirms that they too find it striking and representative of their goals. Sure you can nitpick it to death for whatever thrill that gives you.


I am not nick-picking.
I am simply pointing out that a building based on the Colosseum cannot remind you of the Towel of Babel directly - because you have no idea what the tower looked like.
It can only remind you of the fantasy painting by Bruegel.

Faith writes:

caffeine writes:

Any chance you could fill us in on any of these signs of the EU's involvement in the End Days?


...the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colosseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel -- quite pointedly if you look at the poster this blogger found.

A building that reminds you of a painting is not evidence of "the EU's involvement in the End Days".

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 172 of 313 (700548)
06-04-2013 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:48 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals,


Yes: read the words on the poster: "Many tongues: one voice".
Do you not think that aim is to be lauded?

Faith writes:

the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.


Then explain the connection.
How does an advertising poster (showing a picture of a fantasy painting based on the Roman Colesseum) show the EU's involvement in the End Days?

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Panda
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Message 176 of 313 (700552)
06-04-2013 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
06-04-2013 11:02 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

The poster suggests that the EU aims to recover the original Tower of Babel


Is that it.
That's not even worth the paper it isn't written on.

"The poster suggests".
So - your evidence against the EU is that a poster was once made linking the motto: "Europe: Many Tongues, One Voice" to the Towel of Babel.
....to which you then added: "the EU aims to recover the original Tower of Babel".

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Panda
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Message 178 of 313 (700555)
06-04-2013 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by New Cat's Eye
06-04-2013 11:34 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
CS writes:

Oh, I didn't realize that the Vatican wasn't Catholic...


Woman: "Would you like to have sex with me?"
Man: "Is the Pope Catholic!"
Woman: "Oh...ok. I'll go home alone then."

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 187 of 313 (700590)
06-04-2013 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.


Armenia is divided into 10 provinces.

Please note:
1) It was an Armenian coin issued in Armenia by Armenians to commemorate Armenia joining the Council of Europe.
2) The Council of Europe is NOT the European Union.
3) Armenia is NOT a member of the European Union.

So - what is more likely:
a) The 10 fans represent the first 10 members of the EU.
b) The 10 fans represent the 10 Armenian provinces.

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Panda
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Message 191 of 313 (700598)
06-04-2013 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:50 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members.


And I would again point out that The Council of Europe is not the European Union.
Anything the CoE "makes a big deal out of" is not going to support any claims about the EU.

(Not that I have seen any evidence of them making a big deal out of the fact that there were 10 original members. I would be surprised if they did - especially since it had 10 members for only 3 months. After that there were 12.)

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Panda
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Message 193 of 313 (700605)
06-04-2013 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:34 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

READ THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE Council of Europe. That's ALL I've been referring to.

I did read it.
The Wiki page doesn't "make a big deal" about there being 10 original members.
It mentions it once:
quote:
The Council of Europe has 47 member states. It was founded on 5 May 1949 by ten European states. Greece and Turkey joined three months later, and Iceland and Germany the next year. It now has 47 member states, with Montenegro being the latest to join.
It makes three times as many references to there being 47 member states.
And anyway, Wiki is NOT the Council of Europe.

"I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members."
That seems to be based on your own imagination and nothing else.

Faith writes:

And a lot of the symbolism related to the C of E rather than the EU, as I've said already.

You were asked: "Any chance you could fill us in on any of these signs of the EU's involvement in the End Days?"
So far - nothing.
*shrug*

Faith writes:

And they DO work in concert as I also posted a link on.

Most major organisations (both political and religious) also work "in concert" with the EU.
America does. Protestant churches do. Charities do.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Faith writes:

Good grief if you split hairs finely enough you could prove anything you want to prove. Try taking it all in the spirit intended.

I find it weird that you would rather maintain your false beliefs than be corrected.

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Panda
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Message 195 of 313 (700619)
06-05-2013 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
06-05-2013 2:39 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

What you call "correcting" me is really just preferring your own opinion to mine.


I have not just posted opinions - I have posted facts.
You on the other hand....
Faith writes:

I still read that article on the Council of Europe as making more of the original ten nations as something definitive than you do.


But you are unable to quote them doing so.
That is how I know that you are just making it up.
No doubt you will come back with another cry of "I must be thinking of something else!".

Faith writes:

I've said I'm not clear on the differences between the Council of Europe and the European Union


...but that doesn't stop you making spurious claims about them, does it.

Faith writes:

There seems to be plenty of such symbolism to go around.


Only if you ignore the fact that there isn't.
If you do a 'Faith' and make up things like "The 10 fans on a coin represent the 10 EU founding members!" or "The statue looks like a woman with a cup riding a 10 headed beast!"", then sure - there are many such imaginary symbolisms.
But if you instead prefer things that aren't patently false, you are left with considerably fewer.

Faith writes:

The same flag flies over both apparently.


So - your evidence that the EU is involved in the End Of Days is that it shares a flag with the Council of Europe.
LOL !!

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Panda
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Message 200 of 313 (700652)
06-05-2013 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Phat
06-05-2013 12:30 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Phat writes:

"7 and an 8th not of the 7"


The 8th item is always "not of the 7".
"7 and an 8th not of the 7" is basically just called "8".

If you are looking at multiples of 8 as being symbolic of the End of Days, then you must be permanently afraid.

Hmmm...Ok - you might have a point.

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Panda
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Message 226 of 313 (700769)
06-07-2013 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
06-06-2013 11:22 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

and you are also misrepresenting what I said about the statue of Europa, since all I said and all anybody I've quoted has said is that it's an image of "a woman riding a beast," nothing else.


Or we can look at what you actually said:
Faith writes:

Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation

Faith writes:

Such integrity.


I expect none from you and you have never failed to meet that standard.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 228 of 313 (700774)
06-07-2013 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Faith
06-07-2013 7:37 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

blah blah


Yes, yes.
Best to gloss over your lies and pretend you didn't say them.
You are fortunate that honesty is not something that your god requires of you.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 235 of 313 (700783)
06-07-2013 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
06-07-2013 7:52 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

What I SAID


I quoted what you said.

Carry on with your lying - you seem good at it.
Your god must be proud.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 239 of 313 (700797)
06-07-2013 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
06-07-2013 9:12 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

How simple it would be to merely concede that I meant what I meant and not what you think I should have meant, but I guess that's just too hard for you.


I can't read your mind so I'll go by what you wrote:
quote:
Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation
Faith writes:

...all I said and all anybody I've quoted has said is that it's an image of "a woman riding a beast," nothing else.

What you wrote was a lie.
That makes you a liar.

If it was just a case of it being "mis-wrote" then you would have simply corrected it.
Instead you blamed me: "But of course it MUST be what YOU think it is, not what WE think it is."
That is not you admitting a mistake - that is you trying to hide the fact that you got caught lying.

If your god likes liars then he must fucking love you!


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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