Endtime Prophecy and the European Union

Well, obviously this argument isn't going to get us anywhere. I just don't understand how this can be a matter of opinion. There's a description, and there's a thing that doesn't match that description. I'm at a loss what more to say, so I'll just leave you with this promotional phonecard from the 1990s, which I find unaccountably hilarious.

And that delusion of certainty is what make people to fly planes into tall buildings.

I don't doubt that you believe what you claim to believe, but what you are showing is that you are simply dishonest; that you do not believe in the Bible or what it says and worship the creation of men rather than of God.That's okay; it's pitiful but okay. If you want to continue to be dishonest about what the Bible says that is fine.

Somehow "we can't be wrong" because there is no absolute certainty possible in such a subjective case translates in your mind to absolute certainty? The point is nobody could be right OR wrong on such a judgment call. What is the point in even trying to talk to people who think like you? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I would say that while your opinion might be subjective there is a good deal that is objective here. It is objective fact that the statue does not resemble the image of Revelation to any significant extent - and you made a similar argument about the other statue, so it's clear that you concede that this fact is relevant.Whether the statues are intended to represent the image of Revelation is another question of fact, and the evidence is clear that they are not.Whether the author of Revelation had anything like these statues in mind is also a question of fact and even if it can't be answered definitively it's pretty clear that you don't have much of a case.So what's really going on here ? Is it simply desperation to find SOME sign that the End Times of your mythology (and I don't mean the Bible!) are upon us ? Or is it something else ?

I ask myself that about folks that think a 1700-year-old collection of writings, frequently falsified by observation of the world around us, is the only guide available for moral conduct.

No desperation involved. A bunch of us IMMEDIATELY saw the Europa statue in terms of the woman on the beast in Revelation. Straightforward recognition. All the "objective" stuff is absolutely irrelevant.

How can you "recognise" it and why does the absence of a beast in the other statue matter, if the appearance of the statue is completely irrelevant ?

I believe that. As you say, it doesn't matter what the Bible actually says rather what is relevant is your fantasies.Got it.

WHO SAID THE APPEARANCE OF THE STATUE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? Obviously it has to have a woman on the back of a beast. That it's got.

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WHO SAID THE APPEARANCE OF THE STATUE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? Obviously it has to have a woman on the back of a beast.

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How do you determine which aspects of the statues appearance are relevant and which are not ? Especially given that the woman in Revelation is a symbolic image anyway.

This is what delusion and confirmation bias is - you IMMEDIATLEY saw something that "objectively" isn't there. You made a random object fit your delusion. The object is absolutely nothing like the biblical description of it, yet you made a match.It's a perfect delusion and it's as clear as day to everyone but you.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Like I said we immediately see the connection. Woman riding beast. We don't "determine" anything. Why is so much being made out of this very simple thing? There is no way there COULD be an exact match, all we COULD have is a hint at a similarity. Beast, woman riding. Very basic. But alone it probably wouldn't mean much. The shape of the building that reminds us of the Tower of Babel, the flag with the twelve stars in a circle that its designer saw as related to the Catholic interpretation of the woman in Revelation 12, the supposedly empty 666 seat which somebody said isn't empty but others say is. This is not some kind of hard and fast correspondence here, this is a collection of suggestions that some Christians find intriguing and in keeping with our understanding of how the last days are to play out. I don't hold any of it with an iron grip, it's all simply interestingly suggestive, nothing to deserve all this argument.

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Like I said we immediately see the connection. Woman riding beast.

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But why take this obviously superficial resemblance of unrelated images as anything significant ? You haven't explained a thing about that.

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We don't "determine" anything

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You certainly decided that the resemblance you saw was important and the lack of resemblance in all other areas was not important.

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There is no way there COULD be an exact match, all we COULD have is a hint at a similarity. Beast, woman riding. Very basic. But alone it probably wouldn't mean much.

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Why couldn't there be a greater resemblance ? That really makes no sense at all. It's quite possible to make a statue based directly on the image, which I will remind you is a symbolic image in a vision.

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The shape of the building that reminds us of the Tower of Babel, the flag with the twelve stars in a circle that its designer saw as related to the Catholic interpretation of the woman in Revelation 12, the supposedly empty 666 seat which somebody said isn't empty but others say is. This is not some kind of hard and fast correspondence here, this is a collection of suggestions that some Christians find intriguing and in keeping with our understanding of how the last days are to play out.

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They prove nothing more than your desperation to find "correspondences" with your mythology (and I remind you that I'm not talking about the Bible). The fact that you have images from both sides in the struggle depicted in Revelation only confirms that.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

Because its incredibly stupid to see "Europa on the bull" as being "the harlot on the beast". They're too different to be seen as similar by anyone other than those with wishful thinking. It exposes the naivety and credulity of the Protestant end-times prophecy crap.Europa rides a bull. A bull is nothing like the beast in Revelations. From Message 161:

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What I was thinking of is the statue of Europa riding a bull outside the building that houses the EU Parliament in Strasbourg and another in front of another EU building in Brussels. Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation, who is generally understood to be the Harlot Church, a false worldwide religious system headed by the Vatican.

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You're just grasping at straws. Its pretty pathetic, really.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.