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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
What I believe has nothing to do with the statement you made, namely, that most Christians before Darwin subscribed to a literal Book of Genesis.
You have failed to provide a single thing to support that assertion. Will I just assume that this is your personal opinion and that you do not actually know for sure if this is correct or not? Brian.
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
How can a book substantiate its own divinity? The Bible does in a couple of ways. The first way is by saying it is in verses like II Tim 3:16. The second way is by giving prophecy of events that come true hundreds of years latter. The Bible is not just one book. It is a compilation of 66 books written by some 40 authors over a period of about 1600 years in three different languages. Given this the hand of God had to be in it for the Bible to make any sense at all. If you don't believe the Bible to be devine, then there is no reason for this thread of discussion about taking Genesis literally. However, I believe it is devine and should be taken literally except where the context dictates otherwise. Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
However, I believe it is devine and should be taken literally except where the context dictates otherwise. Which I think I've made pretty clear is the case for Genesis. I mean, consider your passage from Timothy:
quote: Nowhere in that list does it say that scriptures is profitable for information about the natural world; or as a recount of ancient history; or for any purpose besides how one is supposed to live as a Christian. I mean, it seems pretty clear to me - Genesis is poetry and contains clear signals that its a mythological account; and the Bible makes specific claims about its purpose, none of which are to be an accurate account of the natural history of the Earth.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did man build any of the universe?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
The Bible says "Thy word is truth". Not the truth or a cultural truth just truth. God's word can not lie. When it gives historical information, it is accurate.
Of course the Bible is not a complete history of the universe. Only God's dealings with his chosen people and how they are to live. When ever his people go to a city or have a battle, you can bet your bottom dollar that that city or battle was there. The same goes for the great flood and the creation. God's word would not be true if he gave an account of an event that never happened or was factually incorrect. Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
Did man build any of the universe? Man builds things all the time, but uses existing things. He can not create things. Does your question have a point that is on topic? Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Man builds things all the time, but uses existing things. He can not create things. Good, so you agree that man did not create the universe.
Does your question have a point that is on topic? Absolutely and we'll get to that. Trust me but I'm very old and slow and my teeth are gone and I gotta take little bites and my memory is terrible so I can only handle small thoughts and I'm not very bright so I have to shine bright lights on anything to see it. Work with me. So far I think we agree that man did not create the Universe, that the Universe then provides a record that was not written by man. So far are we together? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
When ever his people go to a city or have a battle, you can bet your bottom dollar that that city or battle was there.
Brian! Arachnophilia! Are you guys in the building? This guy needs some help.....
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
So far I think we agree that man did not create the Universe, that the Universe then provides a record that was not written by man. So far are we together? I think so. However, there are a lot of unknowns in the universe and much of what we think we know through science may change in the future if the past is any indication. Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are there any original copies of ANY of the documents included in the Canon available?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
Are there any original copies of ANY of the documents included in the Canon available? No, but there are some very old copies and the scribes were very carful not to make mistakes. Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
God's word can not lie. Shakespeare is a liar?
When it gives historical information, it is accurate. Only when you assume it is. When you actually try to verify that accuracy, you find that the Bible and the historical account from other sources don't agree.
God's word would not be true if he gave an account of an event that never happened or was factually incorrect. So Shakespeare is a liar? To lie you have to be presenting falsehood as truth. Genesis is not presented as a historical account; its presented as a poem about the creative nature of God, and his relationship to his creation. Genesis is not presented as a true story.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But there are differences in content between some of the old surviving copies, aren't there?
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Terry48420 Inactive Member |
Very minor differences.
Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I think the guy is beyond help
He seems unaware that not a single character or event in Genesis has ever been identified in any external source. He is probably a young guy new to bible studies, he will learn in time with any luck. Brian.
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