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nator
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Message 51 of 221 (34171)
03-12-2003 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Percy
03-11-2003 8:59 PM


another contradiction
In the accounts of the crucifiction in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus is crucified after Passover, and he and the apostles celebrate the Passover meal together, commonly called the "last supper."

However, in John, Jesus is crucified before Passover.

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nator
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Message 64 of 221 (34259)
03-13-2003 7:56 AM
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03-12-2003 7:22 PM


me too! me too!
I know it has only been a day, but I posted a contradiction about the timing of Jesus' crucifiction in message #51 of this thread.

I understand that you are busy with other subjects at the moment, Conspirator, I just don't want it to be skipped over.

Thanks.


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nator
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Message 71 of 221 (34339)
03-14-2003 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Conspirator
03-13-2003 11:00 AM


don't forget about me!
Just mentioning my contradiction in message #51 of this thread so it isn't overlooked.

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nator
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Message 98 of 221 (34663)
03-19-2003 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Conspirator
03-15-2003 11:41 AM


But my question was about the timing of the crucifiction and the last supper, not about how the Jews and Romans differeed in their measuring of days.

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the last supper is a passover meal, but in John, Jesus is crucified before passover.

If you read John carefully, you will see that all of the important elements of the narrative are there; Jesus washing his disciples' feet, and the prediction of the disciple who would betray him to the Romans.

However, then the following line appears, emphasis mine:

John 13:29
For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor."

The "feast" he is talking about is the Passover feast, as is mentioned in the first line of chapter 13.

There is more:

John 19:14
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

John 19:42
There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

See, in the above passages, Passover had not happened yet, but in all of the other gospels, the last supper is a Passover meal.

Here is a line from Matthew's version of the last supper which states that it is a Passover meal:

Mat 26:19
And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.

Right after this line, he sits down with the twelve and tells them that one of them will betray him, etc, etc.

This is a pretty big contradiction, don't you think?

Many Biblical scholars belive that the reason the timing of the crucifiction was changed in John was because it was clear by this point that Jesus wasn't a military leader who would be coming back to vanquish all of the Jews' foes, so he was being reformed as a spiritual, symbolic Passover sacrifice. It works better, then, if Jesus is killed before Passover rather than after, so John changed it.

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Message 100 of 221 (34988)
03-23-2003 7:08 AM
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03-19-2003 7:20 AM


bump
Just keepin' it alive...

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Message 101 of 221 (35062)
03-24-2003 8:08 AM
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03-23-2003 7:08 AM


Re: bump
Consspirator, where art thou?

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Message 103 of 221 (35113)
03-24-2003 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Conspirator
03-24-2003 11:12 AM


Thanks for getting back to me. I'll be patient.

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Message 104 of 221 (35555)
03-28-2003 7:03 AM
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03-24-2003 12:43 PM


bump

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Message 106 of 221 (36180)
04-03-2003 6:58 AM
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03-28-2003 7:03 AM


bump.

Conspirator, how is your research going?


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Message 107 of 221 (36346)
04-05-2003 6:43 PM
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04-03-2003 6:58 AM


bumpety-bump.

YOOOO HOOOO!...

ConSPIIIIIIRATOOOOOOOR...


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nator
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Message 113 of 221 (37104)
04-16-2003 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Conspirator
04-15-2003 2:40 PM


Well, good for you for admitting that the Bible has contradictions.

There is no reason to think, however, that it is any less valuable or sacred a book, if one is a believer.

It does require, however, that one not settle for simplistic, literal interpretations of it's contents.


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