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Satcomm
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Message 28 of 221 (33927)
03-08-2003 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Brian
03-07-2003 3:28 PM


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Just a quick suggestion, Jewish tradition suggests that Adam's first wife was called Lilith, maybe you could investigate this?

I did a little research on this, and nothing I read would indicate that this was "Jewish tradition". It more seems to be a form of pagan goddess worship stemming from the legacy of ancient Babylonian mysticism under Nimrod.

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Message 37 of 221 (34049)
03-10-2003 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by John
03-09-2003 8:29 AM


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Lilith does appear numerous times in the Talmud. That seems sufficient to qualify her as part of Jewish tradition, even if as a late addition.

That's very weak, and I'm not convinced. But that is to be expected.

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The evidence points to Babylon as the origin of the creation myth anyway, so why exclude Lilith because she is Babylonian?

Babylon = Origin of the creation account? The secular academic mindset is clear.

And how are you so certain it's a myth? That is a matter of opinion.

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Satcomm
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Message 43 of 221 (34122)
03-11-2003 11:58 AM
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03-11-2003 9:41 AM


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The Talmud is WEAK evidence of Jewish tradition? LOL..... that speaks volumes.

No, you misunderstood me. I was referring to your point in this debate. That was weak. But, like I said, that is to be expected.

I'd like to point out a couple things for emphasis: 1) Lilith was a late addition. 2) The Talmud does not equal OT scripture, nor is it God's defining word. (Which is irrelevant to you, but relevant to me and my beliefs.) Your point is equivalent to equating the New Testament with the Catechism and sacred traditions of the Catholic church. The Catholic traditions have all sorts of additives that were never a part of the scriptures or of God. I say stick with the scriptures and stick to Jesus Christ. There are no other absolutes.

Just a side note: The example above about the Catholic church was merely pointed out as an example. I didn't intend it to be an attack of any kind.

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Maybe you don't realize that Jewish tradition is vastely wider than the OT?

Which is why Jesus challenged the pharisees...

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Guess that is weak....

As well as most of secular academia these days.

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'fraid so. Or perhaps both stem from a parent myth. It seems most likely that the chain of descent went something like Sumerian, Babylonian and then Isrealite. Of course there is bound to have been influence from the many other tribes preaching very similar mythology.

I admit, this is a fascinating theory among the "comparitive religion" types, but it's not what I believe. Just seems to me that secular education is trying to redefine history to fit their equation.

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This is a bad thing?

Lol.

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How? ... the same reasons you are certain that 'all those other mythologies' are mythologies. If it were anything but the Bible, there would be no question.

Ok, that sounds reasonable. However, one can examine some of the common traits of actual "myths" and then compare them with the accounts from biblical scripture and notice several differences. Sad to see that it's all been blended together by the intellectual majority.

EDIT: Fixed some spelling and added a side note.

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Satcomm
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Message 47 of 221 (34131)
03-11-2003 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Percy
03-11-2003 12:59 PM


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What qualities do the Biblical accounts possess that differentiates them from the myths of other cultures? These would have to be differences that somehow indicate that the events of the Bible actually happened and that those of other myths are fictional.

I had a feeling this question would be asked. The answer is typically considered to be subjective, as well as much of the rest of answers brought up in historical debates.

I recently read a good article pertaining to this. It's from an apologetics site, and it brings up a lot of good points about myths:

http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/creationmythl.htm

(Being the admin of the evcforum, and seeing as how you have CARM listed in the reference library, you've probably already seen this site.)

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