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Author Topic:   Does prophecy support the Bible
Zealot
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Message 136 of 191 (69077)
11-24-2003 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by PaulK
11-24-2003 6:17 PM


Re: THe Bible isn't good enough for Buzsaw
http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html
There is a link to an interview with the inventor of the Bar Code. I think we are now eventually reaching an age where a cashless society is indeed a possibility.
Scoff if you want, I care little. If you can't see the resemblance then who really cares anyway right ?

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Zealot
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Message 137 of 191 (69079)
11-24-2003 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Buzsaw
11-22-2003 7:48 PM


Reconcelliation is nice, Ned, but for me, forum debate is more about arriving at truth than finding some way of reconcilliation with folks who resort to most anything they can grasp for rather than to concede anything.
Hehe Buzz, how long you been on these forums ? PS: You know you're doing well, when they start arguing about the true definition of the topic you are discussing and choose the most obscure option. Then the "but what if" hypotheticals start
Im off for a logn while . Whoo hoo sunny skies and beach for close to 2 months! Hehe, keep up the fight Stay well..
Z
[This message has been edited by Zealot, 11-24-2003]

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Dan Carroll
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Message 138 of 191 (69080)
11-24-2003 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:19 PM


quote:
You know you're doing well, when they start arguing about the true definition of the topic you are discussing and choose the most obscure option.
Good point, Z.
See, Buz? Zealot agrees that the most straightforward definition of "this generation" is the appropriate one.

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Zealot
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Message 139 of 191 (69081)
11-24-2003 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by ConsequentAtheist
11-23-2003 6:14 PM


Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Consequent, before you lost your faith, did you not do some sort of Bible study ? No offense, but you ask some simple questions sometimes I would have expected you to know really.
This age: the word "generation" or "age" is here being used for the men of this age.
I can see if you don't buy this explanation, because you're a sceptic and want to find flaw with the Bible to support your beliefs, but did you not know this ?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 140 of 191 (69082)
11-24-2003 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:36 PM


quote:
This age: the word "generation" or "age" is here being used for the men of this age.
quote:
You know you're doing well, when they start arguing about the true definition of the topic you are discussing and choose the most obscure option.

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Zealot
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Message 141 of 191 (69083)
11-24-2003 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dan Carroll
11-24-2003 9:24 PM


See, Buz? Zealot agrees that the most straightforward definition of "this generation" is the appropriate one
LOL, When you read poetry Dan, you quite often have to understand more than is written, when you discuss science, it all should be pretty straight forward I dont claim to know about poetry, because I don't know the first thing about it! Perhaps you should do the same about the Gospel
Try take Jesus's parables as straight forward, see if you can make head or tail of those seeds
[This message has been edited by Zealot, 11-24-2003]

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Dan Carroll
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Message 142 of 191 (69084)
11-24-2003 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:39 PM


quote:
When you read poetry Dan, you quite often have to understand more than is written, when you discuss science, it all should be pretty straight forward
So which are the prophecies? Poetry or science?
If they're poetry, why try and read literal meaning into them?
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Zealot
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Message 143 of 191 (69085)
11-24-2003 9:44 PM
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11-24-2003 9:41 PM


So which are the prophecies? Poetry or science?
What you think ?
"And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. "
C'mon Dan. I'm sure you can work it out if you concentrate

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Dan Carroll
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Message 144 of 191 (69086)
11-24-2003 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:44 PM


Considering I'm dealing with people who think that the world was literally created in under a week, you can never be too sure.
So again... if they are poetry, why bother trying to read literal meaning into them?
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Zealot
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Message 145 of 191 (69088)
11-24-2003 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Rei
11-24-2003 7:00 PM


Now, I will ask again: Where in this does it state that the money/exchange medium itself will be via marks and numbers (as opposed to what it quite obviously states: that noone could buy or sell anything without having the mark)?
You are still to receive the mark of the beast Rei, you haven't yet received it. Our current system is however just a precursor to what will happen. Can you not see the similarities between a barcode and 666 and the cashless society we are moving to ? What will you do when the next logical step is to replace the credit card with a microchip ?

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NosyNed
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Message 146 of 191 (69089)
11-24-2003 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:53 PM


I agree with Zealot.

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Zealot
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Message 147 of 191 (69090)
11-24-2003 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Dan Carroll
11-24-2003 9:46 PM


Considering I'm dealing with people who think that the world was literally created in under a week, you can never be too sure.
C'mon Dan, I'm sure every now and then you lose your mind and will believe anything ...
So again... if they are poetry, why bother trying to read literal meaning into them?
Does poetry not have a meaning ?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 148 of 191 (69093)
11-24-2003 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:56 PM


quote:
Does poetry not have a meaning ?
Sure... wrapped up in metaphor. And no one interpretation of the meaning of a poem is the valid interpretation.
For instance, an interpretation of the prophecies, if read as poetry, which states, "Jesus did not intend to speak about the far future of the world, but rather the immediate future of Israel" is just as valid as "the 1948 Israeli war is one step in fulfilling the prophecies". Neither can really be hailed as right.
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Message 149 of 191 (69124)
11-25-2003 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Buzsaw
11-24-2003 6:27 PM


quote:
I see you don't understand the meaning of a prophecy either.
What is your major malfunction buz? We've been over this in other threads, and you know damn well I am open to prophecy (just haven't seen any yet) and know what prophecy is.
And what about the rest of my post? Why did you not bother dealing with any of the rest of it?
In the one quote you sampled, I was simply stating that Dan's beer prophecy was a good example of really bad (or fallacious) prophecy. He was making it obvious that it was a bad one, to easily demonstrate what self-fulfilling prophecy means. Furthermore, his argument acts as a reductio if you choose not to use self-fulfillment as a criticism of prophecy in general.
You know and I know that there must be criteria for judging prophecy. Self-fulfillment is a sign of poor prophecy. You can debate whether those specific prophecies involve self-fulfillment, but you can't slam Dan or I personally for arguing that they are or if we show other examples of really bad self-fulfilling prophecy.
Well I guess you can call anyone names if that is what you like. But you can't use personal attacks to prove your position.
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holmes

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PaulK
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Message 150 of 191 (69140)
11-25-2003 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Zealot
11-24-2003 9:14 PM


Re: THe Bible isn't good enough for Buzsaw
So the Bible isn't good enough for you either.
SO basically you and Buz reckon that a cashless society is near (well THAT'S been said for something like twenty years - perhaps more). ANd then you pretend that it's predicted by the Bible
If you REALLY believed in the Bible you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't NEED to pretend that it says something it does not - and you would fear the consequences. Revelation 22:18.

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