"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Yikes!! I just discovered late yesterday that this continuation thread is up. I didn't think to check before that because the Admin had indicated that the whole topic should take a rest.Anyway, I'll try to address some things here sometime after this weekend, or whenever I get the chance.

John Williams,First, I would just like to thank you for your honest skepticism. I completely understand that you should not need to be made to believe in something for which there isn’t sufficient evidence. The findings of these chariot wheels are not a conclusive proof in themselves that they are the remains of the Egyptian army as described in Scripture, but when this finding is taken IN ITS ENTIRETYconsidering the other corroborative data and archaeological evidence to connect these finds with the Exodus event, it is very easy to recognize that there is some serious significance in these discoveries with regard to the Exodus account in the Bible.I do not need to elaborate extensively on the myopic disregard for the evidence that is being manifested by a number of individuals in this thread that have engaged in this controversy. Not only have they failed to refute the evidence presented, but they have instead ventured to PRETEND that no evidence has been yet provided. My word of advice to you John, is to look at the evidence for yourself, rather than accepting first hand the empty accusations being proliferated here.I will be addressing the posts that were directed to me as soon as I can, as well as some other points. You'll have to excuse me, this thread is growing at a faster pace than I can keep up with.

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This is feeble stuff! - the dog ate it!

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And yet it happened, so what can we do about it?

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Chariot wheel (3) — Faked wheel used in video (supposedly acknowledged as fake in the video, but presented as real on websites).

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lol...the criticism keeps getting more decrepit and ill-learned everytime.

Amlodhi,He presented him with the hub and partially broken spokes.Brian,I will give you the picture as soon as I can. I'm kind of busy, and I'm trying to find time to keep up with this incredibly fast thread.

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We will also be providing data that will analyze the blackened peak on Jebel Al Lawz, and how we believe it cannot be volcanic, yet burnt by severe temperatures. All the negative articles in the world arn't going to make a dent on the overall picture. We have to weigh the facts.

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Actually, I'm still in the middle of researching the subject (another reason why it's taking me so long to get back to this thread), as I don't know enough about petrology to be able to just make assertions. But the evidence so far is indicating that nobody is being able to explain Maqla in completely natural terms.This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-11-2004 08:32 AM

Recently I've been researching up on the blackened peak for jabal al lawz and the apparently similar california mountain. Seeing I'm no connoisseur at geology or rocks. This has also contributed to the delay with responding here.Thank you for your civility, btw. The ideological and insultive accusations (inherent in your first post on this thread) notwithstanding,....but I will be posting a reply as soon as I can.

No need to worry yourself, I WILL be addressing it.But I think its wise to research a subject before making blind assertions, something you seem either incapable or unwilling to do yourself (an exhibition of almost the entirety of your contribution to this thread).

You're entitled to your fallacy, but incessantly repeating it won't render it any less so.

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Then we have the gold covered wheels. These do not look like those of the war chariots used near the end of the 18th Dynasty. The photogrpahs of them in-situ appear to be staged.

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Why don't you give us your evaluation after you've read the identification of the gold chariot wheel and before giving us your misguided assumptions--and exposing your less than keen knowledge of the subject--?I've said it, I don't know how many times, that the gold-veneered wheels belonged to either the priesthood or high ranking officials that accompanied the army. This would be consistent with finding at what would have been the rear of the army, and this is also historically consistent with the fact that 4 spoke wheels gave way to the 6 spoke wheels as far as military purposes were concerned.

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There is circumstantial evidence that suggests that Wyatt knew the location of one before it was allegedly found.

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hogwash.

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5) Examples of similarly split rocks from other places have been provided. You have yet to explain what is so special about this one.

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But where is the other archaeological evidence in those alleged "locations" that would ratify it as a candidate site for the event?

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6) You don't have evidence of bull worship and the columns have yet to be adequately discussed.

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But we have bovine petroglyphs etched into the side of a large altar-like structure.When are you going to quit these lousy charades about "disproving" the finds? The rest of your comments are merely failing attempts to "ignore" the evidence inherent in the finds, and also disregarding their consistency with the biblical account in order to act as though there's no significance.This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-12-2004 10:18 AM

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I've looked at all the posts discussing these wheels and the resemblance is simply not good enough to present the identification as fact or even reasonably established.

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That's baloney. You saw all to well my dialogue with prince Lucianus on the subject, and all he offered me was petty questions with regard to the specific identification of the tomb that the relief was found in. As well as questioning legitimate sources themselves in order to avoid the very convincing establishment of the alleged wheels as very likely Egyptian. Yet you ignore all the past history of discussion and carry on with your imaginary pretenses about the lack of evidence.And until you can subscribe yourself to making educated calls on the evidence presented, BUTT-OUT.

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And since you dismiss what I've found in your doubtless superior knowledge perhaps you can tell me when the use of iron became widespread in Ancient Egypt.

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It actually never became widespread, as iron was not a natural resource indigenous to Egypt.

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6) Yes you have petroglyphs. But you don't have any dating on them or anything other than the fact that they are "bovine" (and probably not even that) to link them to the Golden Calf incident. Does the Bible mention the Israelites producing petroglyphs of "bulls" at that site ? If you can't do better than that sort of tenuous link then have the decency to admit that it is not significant evidence instead of taking an arrogant and insulting tone in the hopes that nobody will notice.

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Have you actually read about how they fit into the biblical record, or are you just asking me so that when I give you an answer everyone will realize how ill-learned you really are about the subject you're arguing?In Genesis 34:4 "And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."Notice the plural "gods". Here we're clearly talking about one calf on top of the altar, and yet we have this verse plainly stating that there are more than one "god", yet in the verse it says that he used a "graving tool", but you don't engrave a molten calf, you mold it, therefore we can deduce what the verse is referring to. In order to understand this you have to go back to Egypt where you would have an altar covered with gods (in relief) and then a statue of the chief deity atop.Talking about decency, why don't you have the decency to admit that you need to learn more instead of giving us these half-cocked contentions?