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Author Topic:   Did dinosaurs and man coexist?
Peter
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Message 18 of 60 (30538)
01-29-2003 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by peter borger
01-17-2003 7:44 AM


Well you failed.
The question to most readers conveyed the question::
'Were man and dinosuars alive at the same time?'
Prooving, rather, that information is context specific
and created within the receiver rather than encoded by
the sender.

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Message 19 of 60 (30539)
01-29-2003 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by peter borger
01-17-2003 9:46 PM


Then you have nothing useful to add to this topic,
which tends to make me feel you WERE just being
obtuse.

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Peter
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Message 20 of 60 (30540)
01-29-2003 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iconoclast2440
01-17-2003 6:15 AM


Based upon reported observations I would have to say that
man and dinosaurs did not share the same habitats.
In the fossil record there are no human artifacts or remains
in the same levels as dinosaur remains.
There are no dinosaurs depicted in cave paintings attributed to
early humans.
No dinosaur bones were used in early human weaponry or
adornments. Given the size and nature of some dino. teeth
one would expect that they might be used as spear tips. No
such objects have been found in early human settlements.
There may have been some straggling dino. relatives which lead to
dragon legends, but this might equally have stemmed from
large modern reptiles that are now extinct due to human hunting.
Since it seems unlikely that man and dinos. shared any habitats
one must ask are dino remains found in areas deep below those
where early human remains are found? I believe that the
answer to this question is yes (but please feel free to show
otherwise).
If dino. remains and early human remains are found in different
layers of the same general locations, then it seems certain that
they did not co-exist.

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Peter
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Message 22 of 60 (30645)
01-30-2003 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by iconoclast2440
01-29-2003 1:30 PM


Not gods or titans or hydra etc., but dragon legends
are more or less global, and the descriptions are fairly
consistent with some type of large lizard (maybe they be
just big crocs or something).
I mentioned it here only to cover the issue since it bears
relevence to the question of dino & human co-existance.

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Peter
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Message 27 of 60 (32013)
02-12-2003 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by John
01-30-2003 9:48 AM


The chinese aren't the only culture with dragon legends
however ... St. George springs to mind as a medieval
example ... maybe totally made up .. may be based on some
real event ... unknowable ... but like I say, only brought
up to cover all the bases.

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Peter
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Message 37 of 60 (33041)
02-24-2003 8:47 AM


If the human prints actually are in every dino. track
and the ICR article's age of 38000 years is accurate
how can we rule out man having invented flippers for
under water fishing?

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Peter
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Message 39 of 60 (33101)
02-24-2003 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by David unfamous
02-24-2003 9:42 AM


In all seriousness though, the existence of an undiscovered
large reptile when man was alive doesn't proove a young earth
in any case.
I think this came up a few months ago, not sure in which thread
though.

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Peter
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Message 59 of 60 (40638)
05-19-2003 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by compmage
05-16-2003 3:30 AM


Just a couple of comments:
I wasn't aware that dinosaurs were classified as
reptiles at all ... aren't they dinosaura ? Hopefully someone
will clear that up for me.
Warm-bloodedness for dinosaurs isn't that new. I have a dino. book
for kids that I get about twenty years or so ago that mentions
that certain traits of creatures such as T-rex suggest warm-bloodedness.
It's by no means settled that birds are a type of dinosaur (although
I think it likely myself before anyone tries to convince me ).
Ornithologists will point to which toe is missing in dino. fossils
as compared to developing bird embrios, for example (its a different
one apparently).
There are, however, fossils coming out of china that seem to show
progressive development of feathers from small straight stubs, to
something like modern bird feathers (with a number of stages
in between).
I found walking with dinosaurs very mis-informative. It focussed
on behavioural features that we just do not know. It took modern
wild-life documentaries, found a dinosaur that might have filled
that niche and re-made the show with cgi dinosaurs. Technically
nice to look at, but severely lacking in content.

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