Brian's Trinity Question

Wow, Quiz, you mean you simply agree to disagree with the bible? So you have your own idea of things separate from what the bible says and will find out after death if you are right?

John 20:29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."Brian

I didnt think we had a choice after, I thought we had to choose Jesus before we die?
No, false teaching because of the Apostasy. Which is biblical also.
You are preaching an anti Xian teaching here as well Quiz.
I have no idea what you mean by XIAN?We do not have the choice after we die and see God in all his glory because we would not choose Him by faith alone.
Yes, actually you will, when you die you enter a place called prision unless you have faith in him which then you enter a place called paradise, neather of them are heaven nor hell but in both you may learn or await your glory. (This is why there is baptisim for the dead)Faith is desirable, it takes no faith AFTER we see God in all His glory.
You are right for that is why you are blessed for having faith. The blessing come from the things you did unto christ with your faith in the life. If you have no faith no blessing but eatherway this does not take away the chance of being forgiven or saved by grace if you will.Are you sure that you are a Xian, or are you here for a laugh?Brian
No I DONT laugh I am very seriouse if others are also. I dont want to waste my time for I know the faith I obtain is true, and just and nothing can make it fall.

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Quiz, are you LDS Mormon?

Hi,Xian is an abbreviation for 'Christian', like Xmas for Christmas, I use it because I am lazy. We seem to be at odds here, I am talking about Christianity, you are talking about something else entirely. I didn't realise until recently that you are LDS, and I thought Buz had problems. Which of you and Buz's mythologies should I take seriously? You do not seem to realise the implications of this concept. If it is true that you can choose after you die, then there is nothing stopping us from living a life full of sin, we could lie, steal and murder to our heart's content, then when we die and see God's glory we can then choose to follow him!This is totally anti-Christian, for not all who say Lord Lord will enter heaven. Not all of God's creations will enter heaven, and you would have to be pretty stupid not to choose to follow God AFTER you have seen that God is true, jingz even I would follow God then. Try a little common sense, it is a great sure for this God obsession.Brian.

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I didnt think we had a choice after, I thought we had to choose Jesus before we die?
You are preaching an anti Xian teaching here as well Quiz.

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LDS Mormon does teach that there is choice after death and no literal lake of fire.

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I have no idea what you mean by XIAN?

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Truthfully, is that an honest response, Quiz? Or would you like for me to explain?

WooHoo, choice after death, now thats a religion I could go for, however it aint Christianity.Brian.

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WooHoo, choice after death, now thats a religion I could go for, however it aint Christianity.

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We're straying from topic, but any religion which professes Christ, regardless of how far out it may be is considered to be Christian. That doesn't make it Biblically fundamental. A possible subject for a new thread sometime aye?

You do not seem to realise the implications of this concept. If it is true that you can choose after you die, then there is nothing stopping us from living a life full of sin, we could lie, steal and murder to our heart's content, then when we die and see God's glory we can then choose to follow him!This is totally anti-Christian, for not all who say Lord Lord will enter heaven. Not all of God's creations will enter heaven, and you would have to be pretty stupid not to choose to follow God AFTER you have seen that God is true, jingz even I would follow God then. You are missing the point, Anti-Christian=No, Christian only means that I have faith in Christ with a few strings attached for the holy spirit does not dwell in contention. Yes you will enter the heavens if you accept all things in Christ after death, this of course does not take away the sin, for all Christians sin and so shall all be punished. This does not mean you are going to hell it mearly means certain salvations are not possible to those who accept it late.

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You would have to see the entire picture before you speak blasphemy. I have learned that if you are a killer and you never accepted Christ in your life but then you accept him, you will receive a glory which may not be heaven as there are 3 glories, but it wont be hell, an eternal burning torment! Unless you still do not accept Christ for then you are a son of perdition. For every Christian knows that God judges fairly. I wont go into this as I am not the LORD and he can only judge I merly know the glories which are possible.

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Well for me, being a Christian means following the teachings of Jesus and trying to follow his example. I do not see where Jesus taught that we have a choice after death. I do see where he says that faith without seeing is a blessing. And this is where heresy enters the arena. We have already seen that this is contrary to scripture. What do you mean by 'certain salvations' ? Christianity teaches this too, but you have to repent before you die. This would make a great movie, you should phone up Quentin Taratin, I am sure he would be interested.Do you honestly believe this drivel?Brian.

Christian only means that I have faith in Christ

Well for me, being a Christian means following the teachings of Jesus and trying to follow his example. I do not see where Jesus taught that we have a choice after death. I do see where he says that faith without seeing is a blessing.
I can go into this if you would like, but it will have to be later as right now I have to go somewhere.

And this is where heresy enters the arena.
I am sorry, I merely didnt' want to put in all the laws because there are way to many and as you say I did't want it to enter the arena as we are not talking about those laws currently, but if you want when I get back I will respond again and have more to say.

We have already seen that this is contrary to scripture.
No we have not established this to be contrary to scripture, I have not gone into it yet, yet eather way I DOUBT it would change your view.

What do you mean by 'certain salvations' ?
I have answered this questionChristianity teaches this too, but you have to repent before you die. Ok so if i run out and kill 100 people then I get sick and start to die, I then repent, that does not mean I am going to be forgiven as you cannot use god.

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Hi,Thanks for your many replies today, I appreciate that you have things to do, so I hope we can talk again soon.One quick point: You can murder millionsof people if you want as long as your repentance is genuine, you have ot believe 'in your heart' that Jesus is your Lord and saviour, it isn't just a case of 'saying' you believe.But, if you see God in all his glory AFTER you die, it is a bit of a watered down faith to THEN believe in Him.Anyway, take care of yourself, and I will see you soon.Brian.[This message has been edited by Brian, 10-25-2003]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did't the LDSs' believe that Lucifer(Now Satan) was or is a brother of Jesus, and that they are both Angels?
I will agree with you that for most christians, the Father, son, & H-S are 3 personages, but the apologists in my former fundee church said that the LDS church doesn't believe in the Trinity. Was I misinformed(again for the 3rd time)??, or do you believe that Jesus&the H-S are not co-equal with the Father? Please explain.

Ah-hemm. 1. What's your deinition of Apostasy??
2. How do you know that most pastors don't preach about prophesy? Have you been involved in any Anthropology or Sociology Surveys designed to answer that ?.
3. Preaching prophesy has already caused 'friction'. Churches in the past have split because they couldn't agree about whether God will rapture the church before or after Christ's return.
4. What proof is there that prophesies, with which preachers disagree about because churches have split over them, have come true?
5. I HAVE experienced departure from the truth??
? "Judge not..."
6. Biblical Apologetics and Laboratory Science are not analogous sir. There's no control experiment in Bib.Ap.
7. You seem to have been reading Tim LaHayes books. If I were a christian again(?), then I certainly wouldn't believe in the premillenial rapture theory. And, if my former fundee pastor was right, then no matter what I believe after I got born-again, I could never lose my salvation; ever hear of the "Eternal-Security" theory??[This message has been edited by Prozacman, 10-26-2003]