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Author Topic:   Sad what Bible Inerrancy can do to a mind!
drummachine
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Message 10 of 79 (36357)
04-05-2003 10:24 PM


[Lengthy cut-n-paste replaced with link to webpage The Unicorn: The Bible does not refer to fantasy animals. Drum, you were warned about this just a couple days ago. Next violation will earn a suspension. --Admin]
[This message has been edited by Admin, 04-06-2003]

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Message 12 of 79 (36424)
04-07-2003 3:22 PM


Coragyps,
How did you get the date of 30,000 years?

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Message 14 of 79 (36428)
04-07-2003 4:42 PM


How did they get those dates?

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Message 16 of 79 (36545)
04-08-2003 10:22 PM


Could you please go to Answers in Genesis and got to Q&A and then look up Carbon 14 and tell me what you think?

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drummachine
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Message 23 of 79 (36600)
04-09-2003 3:48 PM


So how do you know the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere has always been constant?
Have tests shown that carbon-14 is increasing?

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drummachine
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Message 24 of 79 (36601)
04-09-2003 3:52 PM


What about layers that are hot and cold rather than summer and winter?

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drummachine
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Message 28 of 79 (36611)
04-09-2003 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Coragyps
04-09-2003 4:24 PM


If you doubt the flood why are there marine fossils found on mountains and in places like the Mid West?

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drummachine
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Message 33 of 79 (36717)
04-10-2003 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Coragyps
04-09-2003 7:04 PM


Are you seriously telling me, Drum, that you're here debating this stuff and have never so much as read an 8th-grade Earth Science book, or watched Nova on TV? You've yet to hear of plate tectonics, or the term "geology?" Great googley-moogley, man! I am astounded.
1)Whats your point?
2)Why are there trees standing standing straight up in rock layers if it was not catastrophic event?
3)Do you believe in evolution and that everything came into order by an explosion? If you do, would you please explain to me how that makes sense?
4)If evolution is true why are there "living fossils"?
5)Yes I am learning about things like carbon-14. So bear with me.

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drummachine
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Message 34 of 79 (36718)
04-10-2003 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by PaulK
04-09-2003 7:15 PM


PaulK,
I did look at that page about carbon-14. To tell you the truth a lot of that gives me a headache!

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drummachine
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Message 36 of 79 (36722)
04-10-2003 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by PaulK
04-10-2003 7:03 PM


I was just joking. Actually I believe carbon-14 is reliable but not for millions of years.

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drummachine
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Message 42 of 79 (36777)
04-11-2003 7:00 PM
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04-11-2003 3:31 AM


PaulK,
Check this out. I'm sure they can explain it better than I can. Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible? | Answers in Genesis

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drummachine
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Message 43 of 79 (36778)
04-11-2003 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by NosyNed
04-11-2003 2:41 AM


Re: trees
NosyNed,
Check this out. They might explain it better than I. Missing Link | Answers in Genesis

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drummachine
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Message 46 of 79 (36781)
04-11-2003 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Percy
04-10-2003 7:37 PM


Percipient and Coragyps,
There is no requirement that species go extinct, nor is there any requirement that they evolve. Some species have been around for a very long period of time.
Evolutionary change is driven by environmental pressures. Some species have somehow always found friendly niches through the ages, and so haven't changed.
By the way, these aren't your questions. They appear at many Creationist websites and have been asked here many, many times. They're terribly naive and rhetorical and are presented to the ignorant in order to prove just how stupid current scientific views are, as if any rational person would actually hold views so full of such obvious contradictions.
Am I not aloud to ask questions like these? You know why these questions come up is because evolution is impossible because there is no evidence. Even though year after year it will be taught to children. And it tells them that there are no absolutes. Truth is what you want it to be. Its like the religions of the world. How can they lead to the same God? They cannot because its nonsense. There can only be one way. And when we look at history it fits with the Bible no matter how much mankind will try to to remove it.
The problem with school is that they taught me I evolved from a lower animal and everything came together by chance. This is what comes to my mind when I think of scientists who believe in evolution and wil not even consider the absolutes of the Bible. Even though I post this I say this as one who understands nothing about the origins of life because knowone can except what the creator has revealed to us. I at one time rejected the Bible. We reject the Bible because we love darkness and we know inside we are convicted by the Lord because of our sin. It says He has set eternity in our hearts.
Romans 1:16-23 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
OR
Psalm 8:3-9 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained, What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen-- Even the beasts of the field, The birds of the air, And the fish of the sea That pass through the paths of the seas. O Lord, our Lord, How excellent is Your name in all the earth!
OR
2 Peter 3:3-9
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

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drummachine
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Message 48 of 79 (36790)
04-11-2003 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Jesuslover153
04-11-2003 8:19 PM


I'm just saying we can respect eachother. We can say, "Oh you believe this and I believe that." But love without truth is meaningless. Most of my life I didn't care about God. I hated God. My greatest struggle was how there could be a loving God with suffering? Now I understand and I understand how sinful I have been. And what the best part of it all is the hope we have in Christ. Of course we dont have all the answers but we know who does. I love this saying from Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis. "If He revealed everything we would have an infinite amount of books to read!"

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drummachine
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Message 51 of 79 (36794)
04-11-2003 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Minnemooseus
04-11-2003 8:57 PM


There are many books in the world that God has given man the ability and blessing to make. The Bible is the history book of the universe. The kingdom of God for example. How could He fully explain it in His Word? There is brief detail but it also says no one comprehend how wonderful it will be for those who turn to Jesus Christ. It explains perfectly what life is about. It explains the beginning to the end.
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