Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 13/17 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Another failed prophecy?
Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 16 of 19 (111313)
05-28-2004 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by The Revenge of Reason
03-26-2004 7:53 AM


That's not how my Bible reads Buz, in mine Isa 52:1 reads "Jerusalem, henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean" You do realize what hencefore means right? I'm just asking because it appears that you believe hencefore to mean something like "in the future" Anyways what is your textual evidence of what you claim Buz?
RR, you're throwing out the baby with a dribble of bathwater (one word) in this text. Having studied all these kinds of prophecies for over half a century, one comes to recognize certain words and phrases as being eschatological in nature.
1. Here in this chapter the word Zion stands out. This is usually used in texts indicative of a future messianic kingdom in Jerusalem.
2. The Jerusalem of this chapter is a holy city adorned with beautiful garments. Again here indicates messianic Jerusalem as prophesied by so many.
3. Verse six "in that day" indicative of a future day, i.e. the "notable day of the Lord" as prophesied throughout the prophetic OT books and the NT.
4. Verse 7 the "beautiful feet" of him who comes to Zion with good tidings of salvation and "thy God reigns." This is is messianic talk with God reigning in Zion (Jerusalem).
5. Verse 10 places this prophecy at a time when salvation comes to the ends of the earth to all nations. Definitely an eschatological reference.
6. The last verses of this chapter depicts the messiah who is to come and then the very next chapter 53, the renouned and amazing prophecy describing the suffering and crucifixion of this messiah before he returns to reign.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by The Revenge of Reason, posted 03-26-2004 7:53 AM The Revenge of Reason has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by jar, posted 05-28-2004 11:38 PM Buzsaw has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 17 of 19 (111317)
05-28-2004 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
05-28-2004 11:21 PM


If you rewrite things and make enough assumptions and interpretations, you can make most anything fit.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by Buzsaw, posted 05-28-2004 11:21 PM Buzsaw has not replied

  
arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days)
Posts: 9069
From: god's waiting room
Joined: 05-21-2004


Message 18 of 19 (112896)
06-05-2004 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Buzsaw
03-25-2004 11:14 PM


This is a prophecy of the messianic kingdom age when Jerusalem, Judah and all Israel will be owned and occupied by Jews with Jesus as king.
so, in the messianic age, christians won't be allowed to enter new jerusalem (heaven?)
according paul in galations five, we're not supposed to circumcise.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by Buzsaw, posted 03-25-2004 11:14 PM Buzsaw has not replied

  
DarkStar
Inactive Member


Message 19 of 19 (112977)
06-05-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason
03-25-2004 5:53 PM


Enabled Reading is Preferred
I will have to give credit on this one to the creationists and/or christians. This is not meant to be perceived as an insult so please do not receive it as such but, far too often, those who are uneducated in the reading of the scriptures will take a verse or verses, read them, and then attempt to make a point that is in complete contradiction to the entirety of the idea, thought, or story being presented.
Part of the fault lies in the fact that the scriptures have been divided into chapters and verses and all too often subtleties in text and context are missed by beginning a chapter as though it is a true beginning. The only true beginning is the actual beginning of any book.
While the narrative may change in ideas and thoughts throughout, the reader must ever be aware of the full context involved in the writing. No doubt, some christians will likely applaud my thinking in this matter while some evolutionists will condemn it, but as a writer I feel somewhat qualified to make the aforementioned assessment of the text in question, whether or not I happen to agree with it.
Now to all the evolutionists who read this, don't slam me too hard, and to all the creationists who read this, don't cheer me too loudly. My assessment, qualified and accurate as I believe it is, is my own and I am fully aware that agreement and disagreement will proceed from both camps eventually, if not immediately.
Cheers

BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason, posted 03-25-2004 5:53 PM The Revenge of Reason has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024