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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6136 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
There are currently about 2 million identified species of animal. Are we to believe that Noah gathered up 4 million animal and somehow had enough food and water to sustain them for a year on his boat? Let me begin with a question of my own. How many of those 2million species live in the water and how many are land dwelling? It would also be helpful to know how many are insects. When you find the answers, we can discuss the food supply in more detail, but let me go ahead and point out that Noah and his family had plenty of time to prepare for the flood. It is highly likely that they thought to bring along a few nets for catching fish to feed the carnivores. Who knows, they may even have been able to gather enough flotsam to feed every herbivore on board as well. A world-wide flood would leave a lot of plants floating on the water. We must also keep in mind that the birds were able to leave the ark to search for food (Gen 8:6-12), thus we will need to know how many of the 2 million species are birds.
If there were only 2 of every animal, what did the herbivores (plant eaters) eat and what did the carnivores (meat eaters) eat after they got off the ark? There were actually seven of every kind of clean beast and seven of every kind of bird brought onto the ark (Gen 7:2-3). This might have been done to provide for the needs of carnivores. We must also remember that the fish were not destroyed by the flood (Gen 7:21-23). As for the herbivores, the Bible clearly shows that Noah did not leave the Ark until plant life had resumed on the earth (Gen 8:10-12).
If the universe was created 6 thousand years ago, how come we can see stars that are millions of light years away? Actually, the exact distances between the stars is unknown. Scientists have made some educated guesses based on assumed characteristics, but they still cannot say with certainty how far the stars are from the earth. But let’s assume for the moment that those guesses are correct. Dr. Russell Humphreys from the Institute for Creation Research has provided an answer for this question. I don’t believe his most recent findings have been published as yet, but let me quote the synopsis provided by ICR in their July 2007 issue of Acts and Facts.
quote: Psalm 104:5 "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." But we know through scientific observations that the Earth does indeed move. The movement of the earth through space is often accepted as a proven fact when, in reality, all available evidence leads to the exact opposite conclusion. In fact Steven Hawking himself admitted as much in his book A Brief History of Time just before stating that he refused to believe that the earth was at the center of the universe because he was too modest to think of his planet as being something special (Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time: From the Big Bang to Black Holes - New York: Bantam Books, 1990 - pg. 42).
Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." The Earth is a circle? 2 dimensional? Flat? What more can I say? This verse merely states that the earth has a circle which is true, for all spheres are composed of circles.
Ecclesiastes 1:6 "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course." Just so you know, the wind direction is predominantly east and west, not north and south. Actually, the wind direction is predominantly North East or North West and South East or South West as you can see in this picture .
Genesis 22:17 "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies" The number of people on Earth right now is about 6.4 billion. There is an estimated 400 billion stars in this galaxy alone. The number of people on Earth right now doesn't even come close to 400 billion. How many descendents of Abraham are alive right now? Do you know? Can you tell me how many descendants of Abraham were alive at any point in history from the time of Abraham’s death until now? Have you ever even tried to list all the countries that the Jewish people currently live in? The Bible states that God will multiply Abraham’s descendants as the stars of heaven (Gen 22:17). It claims that the Jewish people will be so numerous that one will no more be able to count them than he could count the number of stars in the sky or sand on the seashore (Gen 13:16, 15:5, 32:12). It never states that there will be as many descendants of Abraham as there are stars in the sky; just that they will be equally innumerable.
I've been told all my life that the rapture is just right around the corner... anytime now. Well? I think that the Bible has already answered this one far better than I ever could .
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6136 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
Since all fish would have been destroyed by the flood - it being impossible for the vast majority of fish to survive such a drastic change to their environment's salinity and silt load - the existence of fish in the contemporary world is evidence both of the flood being a myth and the Bible being false. There is a large amount of evidence for fish and plankton being able to survive salinity changes. Let me suggest the following two pages from both the creationist and the evolutionist side of the discussion. http://www.creationontheweb.com/...pdfs/cabook/chapter14.pdfhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2006/02/060219195841.htm Parallax gives us a very precise measurement of the distance of the nearest stars to the Earth. That sets a minimum distance, of course, for all the others. But parallax assumes that the star has not moved in relation to the earth during the six months that it takes to make the two measurements. Let me point out that I'm not denying the given distances; I'm just commenting on the fact that they are not definite. The evidence that I presented was in explanation of the apparent length of time necessary for light to travel those distances.
Um, no, that's not really what he says at all. Allow me to give you a direct quote from the book.
quote: Not "has", "is". And a sphere and a circle are very different. Again, let me provide you with a direct quote.
quote: Note that the phrase is "circle of the earth" not "the earth is a circle."
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6136 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
A few fish; some plankton; absolutely no coral. Since coral still exist, it's clear that there was no flood. Can you provide me with experimental evidence which supports your claim. I would like to see something similar to the two articles which I provided to support my statements.
No need; I own it. I still don't see where he says what you said he said. If you do not except my conclusion regarding Mr. Hawking's statement, then please provide an alternative conclusion.
Regardless, the Bible clearly means to imply a circular, not spherical, Earth. How do you know that this is what "the Bible clearly means to imply." It seems that you are completely ignoring what the Bible says in order to force the text to fit your position.
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6136 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
If you want to know about coral, I recommend: Coral...A - Wikipedia massive influx of fresh water - from precipitation - would definitely lower the salinity of ocean water. Actually coral, just like plankton, is much more resilient to change than most people believe. For example, this website presents an experiment which shows that bleaching is actually beneficial to plankton rather than harmful.
It's abundantly obvious that he's not saying what you said he said. I don't see any part of your quoted material - nor is there any such text in the book - where he rejects the geocentricity of the universe simply on aesthetic grounds. quote: If you can read statements in plain English, then how is it that you keep denying that Stephen Hawking made this statement.
How do you know that this is what "the Bible clearly means to imply." Because I can read statements in plain English. What's your problem? Surely you don't mean for this to be considered a scientific response.
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