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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As far as the snake goes the Bible was not trying to intimate that it was an animal called a snake but - the dragon that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan. Rev. 20:1-2. Since that is what it was trying say thats how I interpret it. Thats what it literally says not what you think it says. But that is not what Genesis literally says. What Genesis literally says is "serpent". Genesis does not literally say "the dragon that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan". And surely the curse which God puts on the snake makes it clear that it is a literal snake: "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Examples of instances where science DISPROOVES parts of the Bible. Are there any? If so, I would love to hear them and so would he. I say there is but can't cite examples, he says there isn't and never ever will be. Well, scientists have proved that Genesis, if interpreted literally, is a pile of pants; but of course you can always interpret the Bible non-literally to make it consonant with reality.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
First, if it is Satan then it can be taken literaly. I'm not sure it can, but my point was less ambitious: to point out that Genesis does not literally say that it's Satan, this is an interpretation of the text.
Second, If it it not literal it does not necessitate against its historicity. Well, what can I say, yes it does. An allegorical story, even about something that actually happened, is not a historical fact. The Greek fable of Persephone, for example, is about the changing of the seasons, and the seasons really do change, but this is not to say that Pluton really did abduct Persephone and feed her a magic pomegranate.
Third, there are masc. personal pronouns used in the latter part of verse 15. Yes, what of it? I quoted it correctly, didn't I?
Fourth, if you don't think this is a good probability and at least a possibilty then theres no hope for you. Woe is me, I have been judged and found wanting by ... some guy on the internet. It's not the first time this has happened. No hope for me, eh? Alackaday, rue!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Its not historical but metaphoric: the setting is not on a physical earthly realm, according to the texts. But the texts do not say that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You have disregarded that the texts itself says the adam-eve-serpent story is not an event which occured on earth: No they don't. Not only do they not say that, but the very opposite is implied by Genesis 2, which relates the position of Eden to other terrestrial locations, e.g. Ethiopia and Assyria. And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
IamJoseph: nothing you say means anything, because you are talking in a language which you made up in your head.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The text says this garden was not located on physical earth ... No it doesn't.
What is the alternative to the origin of all life forms to be other than from a dual-gendered specimen, as stated in Genesis? The facts.
There is no document in existence that makes any historical stats for such an ancient period - and vindicated even a fraction of the reporting as in the book of Joshua. Whereas the book of Genesis has been shown to be false, them's the breaks. By the way, you might want a look at the Sumerian King List. Much of it has been verified. But the early part, where people live hundreds of years and there's a magic flood --- well, that bit's a myth.
There is evidence of the Hebrews in Egypt at this time - from egypt; Links please?
I remind you that all of the names listed in generations of various periods are accepted as authentic by archeology: And I would remind you that this is a totally fictitious statement which you've made up. Some names, yes. All of them? No.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There is no satan - nor is it mentioned. Unless you believe that pesky lying Bible: And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. (Job 1:6) And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? (Zechariah 3:2)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't think so. Disproving the OT has nothing to do with FX miracles: these are appropriately given as miracles, in the context of a Creator, which science cannot apply to. Fact is, science has not been able to prove anything it says which contradicts the OT - because Creationism is a scientifically validated premise, with no alternative. I'm sure that saying this makes you feel better, but doesn't it worry you that it's completely untrue? Science has not validated your premise; if it has, scientists would have noticed. Also, if this validation existed, you would be able to point it out to me, 'cos it would be written down somewhere.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Dr. Russell Humphreys from the Institute for Creation Research has provided an answer for this question. No he hasn't. If he had provided the answer, then you would know what it was. He has claimed to have an answer. Creationists claim a lot of things.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
This really isn't complex or obscure; it should be obvious. And I'm not "making stuff up", this interpretation comes straightforwardly from a word and grammar study, and is not original with me. But the interpretation does not come "straightforwardly". For hundreds of years, people thought it meant "stood still". No-one even tried to read it any other way until physicists found there was a problem. Tell me this: if our knowledge of the Solar System was still geocentric, do you suppose you'd really be explaining that since the words "stood still" are derived from a word meaning "was silent" they must actually mean "shone less brightly"?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Levi 17:11 (KJV) For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. This is a fact that science did not discover until about 400 years ago. What "fact" in that passage from Leviticus do you claim was confirmed by science 400 years ago?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
iceage if you or anyone else on this site has any proof that Genesis 1:1 is false please present it now. There is absolutely no proof Genesis 1:1 is not true. It has nothing to do with plants, animals, fowl, fishes or man. It states: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." You declared it to be false now, prove it to be scientifically false. Very well. Science shows that the Earth is billions of years younger than the universe. Hence, God did not create it "in the beginning".
Sounds like there is only one way and you had better find the right one. ’‘ ‘’’ ‘’‘’’‘ ‘’’’ ’ ’‘’‘ ‘‘’’ ‘’’’
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If you can read statements in plain English, then how is it that you keep denying that Stephen Hawking made this statement. Because he didn't. Let's all remind ourselves of the garbage you're trying to attribute to Stephen Hawking. You wrote, in message 113:
The movement of the earth through space is often accepted as a proven fact when, in reality, all available evidence leads to the exact opposite conclusion. In fact Steven Hawking himself admitted as much in his book A Brief History of Time just before stating that he refused to believe that the earth was at the center of the universe because he was too modest to think of his planet as being something special Of course, he said nothing of the sort, and to say so would be a libel on his professional competence if only you could find someone dumb enough to believe you.
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