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Author Topic:   What is so good about the 'Good Book'?
John
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Message 17 of 22 (21716)
11-06-2002 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by nos482
11-06-2002 3:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
You prove yourself a liar by somehow bringing this posting back after I had deleted it before anyone could reply to it just to get me into trouble.
You see Nos, right here is how YOU GET YOURSELF in trouble. You assume too much and then you start name-calling. In this case you assume that I somehow found your deleted message and reposted part of it. You think I am hacking the EvC network just to cause you trouble? I have NO admin powers here so that must be what you are implying. Add that I am a federal criminal to your accusation that I am liar. I don't think so. I like EvC too much. I could have pulled it from my disk cache I suppose... but I didn't. Until I got this message from you, I didn't even know that you had deleted the previous one. I replied to this like I reply to every other message. I hit the reply-quote button. What probably happened was that I had already hit the reply button before you hit delete. Game over. The whole message is stored on my computer in the browser cache so that I can edit it.
quote:
Well, at least I respect women.
And here is another way that YOU GET YOURSELF in trouble-- frequent ad hominem attacks and various other attempts to discredit those who disagree.
I don't want you banned. I want you to grow up. [/quote]
^ Cool. I just figured out that an extra end-quote tag puts that nifty line across the screen. [/quote]
^ See!!!
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doctrbill
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Posts: 1174
From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Joined: 01-08-2001


Message 18 of 22 (21748)
11-06-2002 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by nos482
11-06-2002 7:01 AM


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Brian Johnston - message #1 How can the Bible retain its title of the Good Book when it has been responsible for some of the severest examples of man's inhumanity to man?
db - msg #2 The Bible is only a book. It retains its title because the title fits.
nos - msg #3 ... the bible IS responsible ...
db - msg #6 You assert that the Bible is responsible for war. I say people are responsible for war.
nos - msg #8 I didn't say any such thing.
Really!?
What was that then?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 19 of 22 (21834)
11-08-2002 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by nos482
11-06-2002 7:01 AM


what history was recorded 10 000 years ago..
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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 20 of 22 (22053)
11-09-2002 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by funkmasterfreaky
11-08-2002 12:39 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
what history was recorded 10 000 years ago..

The cave paintings at Vallon-Pont-d'Arc are about 31 000 years old, they record an event whereby men/women took the time to paint a series of pictures on the walls of a cave.
Whether the events in the pictures actually happened or not, doesnt change the historical event of the men/women painting the pictures and it also records as history that mankind had learned to use materials for drawing earlier than we had thought.
You need to stop selectively reading, you clearly suspend your ability to think rationally when reading the Bible and it appears that this has spilled over into your everyday life
Try being a bit more understanding, put your points calmly and think about what you are actually sayig before you post it.
The Bible is an unparalled collection of literature from ancient times, but it is only that, literature. You might be able to talk a good game in silly chat rooms but I think you will find things beyond you at this site.
Best wishes.
Bria
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zipzip
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Message 21 of 22 (25114)
12-01-2002 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brian
11-09-2002 7:59 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Brian Johnston:
quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
what history was recorded 10 000 years ago..

The cave paintings at Vallon-Pont-d'Arc are about 31 000 years old, they record an event whereby men/women took the time to paint a series of pictures on the walls of a cave.
Whether the events in the pictures actually happened or not, doesnt change the historical event of the men/women painting the pictures and it also records as history that mankind had learned to use materials for drawing earlier than we had thought.
You need to stop selectively reading, you clearly suspend your ability to think rationally when reading the Bible and it appears that this has spilled over into your everyday life
Try being a bit more understanding, put your points calmly and think about what you are actually sayig before you post it.
The Bible is an unparalled collection of literature from ancient times, but it is only that, literature. You might be able to talk a good game in silly chat rooms but I think you will find things beyond you at this site.
Best wishes.
Bria

Bria, much evidence suggests that the ancient Hebrews and the authors of the NT considered Bibilical texts to be historical record. The OT/NT in fact have quite an excellent track record in archeological circles. That is one reason why many non-christians have such difficulty with the Bible. On the one hand, it is a reliable historical record, and on the other it makes claims that may seem preposterous. What is actually the case is that the preposterous claims were actually taken as seriously by the original authors as was the interspersed historical record. This particular regard given the Bible is the basis of Christianity, Judaism, and in many important ways, Islam. The idea of the Bible solely as literature is actually a very recent concept and has no basis in the historical origin of the book itself.
For this reason alone, I encourage you to take the Bible as seriously as its authors did. This is really the only way to understand its literary merit.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 22 of 22 (25118)
12-01-2002 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by zipzip
12-01-2002 5:01 AM


Bria, much evidence suggests that the ancient Hebrews and the authors of the NT considered Bibilical texts to be historical record. The OT/NT in fact have quite an excellent track record in archeological circles. That is one reason why many non-christians have such difficulty with the Bible. On the one hand, it is a reliable historical record, and on the other it makes claims that may seem preposterous. What is actually the case is that the preposterous claims were actually taken as seriously by the original authors as was the interspersed historical record. This particular regard given the Bible is the basis of Christianity, Judaism, and in many important ways, Islam. The idea of the Bible solely as literature is actually a very recent concept and has no basis in the historical origin of the book itself.
For this reason alone, I encourage you to take the Bible as seriously as its authors did. This is really the only way to understand its literary merit.
I do take it seriously, as literature. The only people that take apparent preposterous claims seriously are Bible believers.
I think you overestimate the track record of the Bible in archaeological circles. Very little that is written in the Hebrew Bible can be verified from external sources.
The appeals to the supernatural, the complete absence of evidence for the majority of bible claims, and the masses of contradictions make the Bible unreliable as a historical source.
The last 20 years have seen a rapid decline in the use of the Bible in archaeological circles, even the most fervent Bible supporters, WIlliam Dever for example, agree that the Bible is mainly myth and propaganda.
The only reason that the Bible is used by any 'archaeologist' is to try and make any archaeological data fit the Bible account, the contortions that these people perform are ridiculous. The King David of the Tel Dan inscription is a good example of so-called archaeologists prematurely claiming that the Bible is correct 'again'.
I dont have a problem with the Bible. I do have a problem with people who havent studied the Bible and/or archaeology and claim that the Bible is an accurate record of anything. I am not saying that this applies to you, but it applies to people who post inane articles on their websites claiming things like Pilate was thought of as fictional before the 1961 inscription find at Caesarea, and ludicrous claims that archaeology has never disproved anything in the Bible.
Best wishes
Brian.
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