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Lysimachus
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Message 23 of 307 (203987)
04-30-2005 5:35 PM


Oh Jar Jar Jar...I see you're still the same old fox...I really feel sorry that you feel so confident in yourself about your opinions. Seriously, I do. So much light has been shed to you and you have rejected every bit of it. I know for a fact you will have no excuse in the end. Your mind shuts out any truth and you deceive yourself to interpret data as "not being evidence". In the end, you'll see visibly just how your mind works. When it comes to the Bible, suddenly evidence isn't evidence anymore. It becomes an "endless merry-go-round" until one goes crazy and asks "what IS evidence??!"
No wonder scientists can't accept the true locations of Sodom and Gomorrah. You provide evidence blaring in their face that there is Sulfer that is 98% rich scattered in 5 major locations around the Dead Sea---EXACTLY as scripture says (and that the Heaven rained fire and brimstone (sulfer)on the 5 cities of the plain), yet they cannot call it "evidence", simply because it heading in the direction of the Bible. So sad indeed, but all these Godless men will one day see in the day of Judgment what they have done. They despised and scoffed at their Creator--even to denying His existence.
Anyway, I've met several people who have testified that the visitors center is there. There is no denying it. I've even seen video footage. Only people who are bent on something not being true cavil with insignificant little details.
mike_the_wiz,
If you are sincere in learning whether the stories revolved around the finding of the Ark of the Covenant by Ron Wyatt are true, then I suggest you find a way to get a hold of the book "Discoveries: Questions Answered". The book is purchasable at Anchorstone.com, but the only downside to it is it seems to be a bit pricey. But if there could only be a way for you to get a hold of it, you would see just why it's so worth obtaining it. The book answers nearly every critic question you can imagine (including the allegations against there being a visitors center..can you believe it?). The book is full of sources, letters, lab results, and all the quotes from superiors who testify to the authenticity of all of the discoveries, including the Ark of the Covenant.
Unfortunately, the Internet is not the best way to learn and find out whether these discoveries are true or false. The Internet provides a basic outline, but only the books provide any real evidence. If these books weren't sold and "all" the data just provided for free on the Internet, Wyatt Archaeological Research, etc. would not have the necessary funds for further research. This is totally understandeable.
Here's the book: Shortened the link : AdminJar
Let me make this serious statement:
No one, and I mean NO ONE! ..should EVER come to a conclusion regarding Ron's discoveries until AFTER they have read nearly all of the 260 Questions dealt with in this book. Then they are free to think whatever they like!
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Message 27 of 307 (204005)
04-30-2005 7:06 PM


Jar, tell me, how does that sulfur deposit in Iceland disprove the Sodom and Gomorrah sites? Even Ron Wyatt knew that there are numerous sites around the globe with high-sulfur contents. The evidence does not rely on the existence of sulfur alone, but on the constituency, consistency, and richness of the sulfur found in these 5 locations, plus numerous burn rings. This is not to mention that you have the shapes of cities and terraces all throughout these 5 locations. You have to put 2 and 2 together. It's not that hard to do.
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Message 188 of 307 (205905)
05-07-2005 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by JimSDA
05-07-2005 5:51 PM


Re: Dr. Lennart Moller's pics of the petroglyphs....
JimSDA,
Don't worry, they are going to fight you to the end. Just expect that. I've learned how atheists operate. They rely only on "popular science" to tell them "what's true and what's not". Until they realize that they're being lied to and have been duped, you won't get anywhere with them. In the end, they will see that Ron Wyatt was right after all. We just have to be patient as we come upon the closing scenese of earth's history. For now all that can be left is prayer. If prayer wasn't anything virtuous, we'd be banging our heads on the wall.
And for your image on page 265, it's really easy for you to upload the picture yourself, do you know how? If not, you can send it to me and I'll upload it for you. But I suggest you try as it's pretty easy:
The best way is to go to Photobucket and sign up for an account and upload the image there. Then, use the "[img.]" (remove period) tag to display the picture in this thread.
Do it like this: [img.]placeURLhere[/img.] (remove periods after "img"...displayed as such only so they show as text in post and not Red Xed url), and the image will be displayed. You do not have to be an administrator to upload pictures. You can img tag up to 8 of them. Also, I suggest that when you are quoting someone and are specifically addressing certain points, that you make use of the [quote] tag. Do it thus [quote.]"QuotePersonHere"[/quote.] (remove periods after "quote"...displayed as such only so they show as text in post and not Red Xed url).
Then reply to each quote in systematic order. This way your critics can feel satisfied that you are addressing particular issues they raise and will not be able to complain that you are ignoring them. Many times I notice that you answer their questions in various ways throughout your posts, but they're hard to spot and some of the critics go on thinking that you're ignoring them.
I sent David Patriot some exclusive information on Noah's Ark. Hopefully he'll review it with a fine tooth comb and come to realize how satan has duped the world into thinking that Ron's discoveries are a fraud.
Every eye will see the truth in the end. This assurance brings me peace at heart.
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Lysimachus
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Message 190 of 307 (205947)
05-07-2005 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Yaro
05-07-2005 6:28 PM


Re: Dr. Lennart Moller's pics of the petroglyphs....
Actually Yaro, in my estimation anyone who does not accept the scriptures as the fully inspired word of God is an atheist in my eyes. It spells criticism against any data supporting the events described in the biblical account.
Wyatt's work does hold up against the worst scruttiny imagined. It's only people like you who are duped into thinking they are not valid because you've been fed with lies and deceit. The book "Discoveries: Questions Answered" totally demolishes 99% of every critical scruttiny you can imagine. I know, I own the book.
The more I study, the more I know Ron's discoveries are authentic. You are simply deceived by traditional/popular false science (a tool devised by non-other than the arch deceiver himself).
And I say this with confidence. It's not just my opinion. I know this to be a fact. I've been exposed to enough to know this.
Evolution fails FAR MORE against true scientific scrutiny than these discoveries ever could! When one is to suppose existence emerged from a rock, or that a fossil had kids and created another fossil that slowly evolved over time, you'd have to have a mental deficiency to not see that it is utter baloney.
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Message 200 of 307 (206092)
05-08-2005 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by PecosGeorge
05-08-2005 12:09 AM


Re: Dr. Lennart Moller's pics of the petroglyphs....
PecosGeorge,
You poor soul. I feel so sorry for you that you are deluded into thinking Ron's discoveries are a fraud. How little you know and how you will regret your opinion in the end. You will see that we were right in the end. Don't worry, I guarantee it.
I know for a FACT that the Ark of the Covenant is down in that cave, and I know for a FACT that all 4 other discoveries are authentic. You never knew Ron Wyatt, nor do you know any of his family, that is why you come to your ugly conclusion. You obviously haven't read the evidence pointing to the important fact that the Ark of the Covenant STILL is within the walls of Jerusalem based on the sequence of events described in Maccabees and scripture. Ron Wyatt's theory of the location of the Ark is the most solid theory out there.
'nuff said.
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Message 227 of 307 (206462)
05-09-2005 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by PecosGeorge
05-09-2005 8:01 AM


Re: Dr. Lennart Moller's pics of the petroglyphs....
PecosGeorge,
quote:
This poor soul knows that God makes no mistakes and is not mocked, nor made a mockery of. So focus your pity on yourself, you won't get any from me.
How little I know is based on the many details scripture gives, and it gives the information that you do not have the ark of the covenant. The ark served a purpose while on earth, this purpose ended when Christ gave his life. The ark is in heaven according to Rev. 11:19. This is what the bible says and not based on my opinion.
Based on the 'little' I know, your guarantee isn't worth the time you took to mention it.
That's right, so what is the proper thing for a Christian to do? To not judge, and wait and see. You violated a Christian principle in your following quote:
quote:
I'm not an atheist and the discoveries are a fraud.
You have no way to blatantly know this. You do not know this is 100% true. Only until you have been properly informed of all the evidence can you finally form a conclusion. There is so much on the Ark of the Covenant that you don't know. For example, did you know that there is a huge study that totally debunks the theory that the earthly Ark of the Covenant was taken to Heaven? There are two Arks, the Heavenly and the Earthly. The earthly is still here, and it can be proven through scripture from a solid study. You need to read Jonothan Gray's 590 page book called entitled "Ark of the Covenant". It would be a great eye-opener for you regarding what was prophecied. Numerous ancient documents give clues to the Ark's location--within the walls of Jerusalem. Jeremiah hid it in that cave Ron Wyatt located it in just before the Babylonians leveled out the city. This is why we find so many layers of walls throughout Zedekiah's cave.
BTW, if the Ark of the Covenant and Ten Commandments were revealed to the world now, it would defy prophecy. They will be revealed to the world just before Probation closes and Jesus comes. The evidence provided so far is only to test people.
As believers in historic SDA principles, we believe that Ellen White was a prophet of God. You do not have to accept anything she says, but I will quote what she says anyway so you get a glimpse of where we are coming from:
"Elder Bates was keeping the Sabbath, and urged its importance. I did not feel its importance, and thought that Elder B. erred in dwelling upon the fourth commandment more than upon the other nine. But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was opened in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy-seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark, with their wings spread over the mercy-seat, and their faces turned toward it. This my accompanying angel informed me represented all the heavenly host looking with reverential awe toward the law of God which had been written by the finger of God. Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the ten commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts, with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are therein. When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry. The fourth commandment has been trampled upon, therefore we are called upon to repair the breach in the law and plead for the broken down Sabbath. The man of sin who exalted himself above God, and thought to change times and laws, brought about the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. In doing this he made a breach in the law of God. Just prior to the great day of God, a message is sent forth to warn the people to come back to their allegiance to the law of God which antichrist has broken down. Attention must be called to the breach in the law by precept and example. I was shown that the third angel proclaiming the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, represents the people who receive this message and raise the voice of warning to the world, to keep the commandments of God and his law as the apple of the eye, and that in response to this warning many would embrace the Sabbath of the Lord." {Life Sketches, 1880 236.3}
Here she's speaking of the heavenly Ark of the Covenant. But she also makes it very clear that the earthly tablets will be revealed to the world:
"Among the righteous still in Jerusalem, to whom had been made plain the divine purpose, were some who determined to place beyond the reach of ruthless hands the sacred ark containing the tables of stone on which had been traced the precepts of the Decalogue. This they did. With mourning and sadness they secreted the ark in a cave, where it was to be hidden from the people of Israel and Judah because of their sins, and was to be no more restored to them. That sacred ark is yet hidden. It has never been disturbed since it was secreted." {PK 453.2}
Law Preserved in Ark.--"And He [Christ] gave unto Moses, when He had made an end of communicating with him upon Mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written by the finger of God." Nothing written on those tables could be blotted out. The precious record of the law was placed in the ark of the testament and is still there, safely hidden from the human family. But in God's appointed time He will bring forth these tables of stone to be a testimony to all the world against the disregard of His commandments and against the idolatrous worship of a counterfeit Sabbath
(MS 122, 1901). {1BC 1109.2}
There are abundant evidences of the immutability of God's law. It was written with the finger of God, never to be obliterated, never to be destroyed. The tables of stone are hidden by God, to be produced in the great judgment-day, just as He wrote them (RH March 26, 1908). {1BC 1109.3}
"When the judgment shall sit, and the books shall be opened, and every man shall be judged according to the things written in the books, then the tables of stone, hidden by God until that day, will be presented before the world as the standard of righteousness. Then men and women will see that the prerequisite of their salvation is obedience to the perfect law of God. None will find excuse for sin. By the righteous principles of that law, men will receive their sentence of life or of death (Ibid., Jan. 28, 1909). {1BC 1109.4}
Because of Israel's transgression of the commandments of God and their wicked acts, God suffered them to go into captivity, to humble and punish them. Before the temple was destroyed, God made known to a few of His faithful servants the fate of the temple, which was the pride of Israel, and which they regarded with idolatry, while they were sinning against God. He also revealed to them the captivity of Israel. These righteous men, just before the destruction of the temple, removed the sacred ark containing the tables of stone, and with mourning and sadness secreted it in a cave where it was to be hidden from the people of Israel because of their sins, and was to be no more restored to them. That sacred ark is yet hidden. It has never been disturbed since it was secreted. {SR 195.1}
"By these words Christ has placed this matter beyond all the sophistry of human conjecture. "And He [Christ] gave unto Moses, when He had made an end of communing with him upon Mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18). Nothing written on those tables could be blotted out. The precious record of the law was placed in the ark of the testament and is still there, safely hidden from the human family. But in God's appointed time He will bring forth these tables of stone to be a testimony to all the world against the disregard of His commandments and against the idolatrous worship of a counterfeit Sabbath.--Ms 122, 1901, pp. 1-4. ("The Law," November 23, 1901.)
This is not to mention all that has been written in the books of
Appocrypha and Pseudeppigrapha:
2 Macabees 2: 4- 8, 13-15
2 Burach 6: 4-9
2 Burach 80: 2
2 Burach 4: 5 - 7
Josephus, Antiquties of the Jews,
Book 9, Chapter 8:2 (165)
Book 9, Chapter 8:4 (202)
Book 9, Chapter 12:3 (254)
Book 10, Chapter 8:5 (145)
Book 10, Chapter 8:7 (154)
Book 8, Chapter 4:1 (101)
Book 8, Chapter 4:1 (104)
Book 8, Chapter 4:1 (105)
Book 8, Chapter 3:7 (88 - 90)
Book 8, Chapter 3:8 (91 - 94)
Bible references to Ark of the Covenant journeys:
There is also a very large list from scripture from Judges, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Chronicles, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ezra that would be too long for me to assmeble right now. Just realize that you have a lot of homework to do before you come to your conclusions. If I have time, I'll get the list of Bible verses later. For now, there's enough to chew on.
For those of you who think Ron Wyatt should have revealed all the evidence, he couldn't as it would defy the prophecy. It will be revealed to the world at the right time, so that all may see. If it had been revealed way earlier to the world, then today I know it would have to be a fraud.
Brian,
I beg of you, quit kicking against the pricks. God is trying to help you see that you need to open your heart and open your eyes as to what is coming up on this earth. Do not keep resisting and fighting your conscience.
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Lysimachus
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Message 240 of 307 (206503)
05-09-2005 1:43 PM


Ron was no prophet, but God did use him as a humble servant. That I do believe.
And back to Pecos for a moment...
PecosGeorge,
I see that you refer to a New Testament book which meantions a Temple in heaven containing "the Ark of his testament" in Rev. 11:15-19, yet according to another part of the Scriptures, the Hebrew tabernacle and its funirture were merely replicals of those in heaven:
Revelation:
8:1 "Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;"
8:2 "A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man."
8:3 "For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer."
8:4 "For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:"
8:5 "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount."
9:23 "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."
9:24 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"
The earthly sanctuary was patterned after the heavenly sanctuary. There is the heavenly original and the earthly coppy. Because the heavnly Ark has always bee in heaven, the earthly Ark has no reason to be there. Otherwise are you proposing that there are "two" Ark of the Covenants in Heaven? This wouldn't make any sense.

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Message 241 of 307 (206505)
05-09-2005 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Yaro
05-09-2005 1:28 PM


Re: Is Wyatt a prophet to you guys?
Yaro
quote:
You seem to take our critisim rather seriously. Do you think denying the verasity of Rons finds constitutes mortal sin?
I am in no way saying that anyone will go to hell fire or sin if they do not accept Ron's findings. Not in the least. But I do believe that any true Christian will not blatantly call them a "fraud" and call Ron a "liar". It will be a nuetral position, but I have not seen a nuetral position as of yet in this discussion board.
There is a big difference in saying "Ron was a big fraud and a liar" vs. "we'll just have to wait and see".

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Message 274 of 307 (206629)
05-09-2005 11:28 PM


wmscott,.
I just sent you a massive email with about 6 attachments. Be prepared to adjust your opinions on the hebrew definitions of "on" the Ark of the Covenant, etc. You're stuck in old-school tradition...
It's time to read the truth in the email. Please read all the material openly and honestly as there are volume fulls to cover.

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Message 275 of 307 (206631)
05-09-2005 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Yaro
05-09-2005 8:39 PM


Re: ...
Yaro,
Even scientists such as Baumgardner who knew Ron personally do not believe he was a "psychic" guy. In fact, just about everyone who knew him personally admits that he was in his right mind. Not only that, he was known for his friendliness and kind spirit. When news reporters asked him questions, he would always stop and take the time to answer ALL their questions...even when he was tired and drained...
He lived a life of great sacrifice, and barely scraped the funds to make the trips he made to the Middle East. He was a very poor man.
Baumgardner in an interview not too long go was asked if he had anything good to say about Ron Wyatt. Baumgardner answered along one of these lines: "He was the most generous man I ever knew..."
And also Yaro, my judgment is based after seeing a total of about 30-40 videos of Ron Wyatt speak, talk to news reporters, speak in interviews, and answer people's questions at the airport as he flew in...not to mention numerous videos of people testifying to the validity of many of his claims...
He wasn't a liar, nor was he a fraud. It's what the world wants you to think, and sadly, you're falling for it. But in the end, the truth will shine.
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Message 287 of 307 (206793)
05-10-2005 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Yaro
05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
Yaro,
quote:
While I don't belive a word of Wyatts, nor the validity of his work, I don't doubt that he was a kind a well meaning person.
Then if you believe he had well meaning, you will not be disrespectful with your avatar you chose. I think it's downright rude and disrespectful for you to be mocking Ron Wyatt with your picture.
quote:
Are you saying god would not be able to controll himself had the non christians entered th cave?
Why would god have to strike them dead? If god dosn't want to kill them he dosn't have to. After all, he is GOD!
From the sounds of it, if god has indeed killed 16 so far, he sure does like killing! I mean, a god, with infinit options open to him, has no choice but to kill?
Couldn't he just warp them somewhere else? Couldn't he perform some other action in his omnipotence?
Are you seriously suggesting that GOD has NO choice in the matter?
I guess you never read the story of Uzza and Nadaab and Abihu, heh? They were all struck dead for similar acts. Uzza dissobeyed the command of the Lord and touched the Ark. Nadaab and Abihu offered strange fire in the sanctuary. Only those who are completely sanctified and cleansed from all sin can enter into the presence of the Ark of the Covenant. Ron Wyatt made it very clear that every time before he entered that chamber, he was not cherishing a single known sin in his life and confessed ALL to the Lord prior.
If wordly men think they can walk into the presence of the Ark of the Covenant without feeling any convinction from the spirit of God to cleans their hearts and berid of all sins in their life, it only goes to show you where their hearts are truly at, and that if they even dared to enter the presence of the Ark without repentance, they are only asking for death.
You see, the problem is, scientists are looking at this stuff from "purely" a scientific perspective. But this cannot be done, because the Ark of the Covenant is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one. There are religious powers guiding the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant, and it will happen in the right time.
You better be glad Yaro that the Ark of the Covenant has not been revealed to the world yet. Because you know what that means? If it was revealed, that means we would be a fraction away to the end of the world and the appearing of Christ in the clouds. Instead, the fact that the ARk of the Covenant is not revealed to the world as of yet at this time only means God is giving you more time to get your life in order and right with God. The delay is actually an act of mercy upon you, and you ought to be thankful that you still have time.
But you're not only one. Even I, a wretched sinner, have much to repent daily about. The end of the world will not come about until their a finally a people in the end who will uphold the Law of God and abide by His commandments FULLY.
Only then will Christ say:
Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
The signs are all around us. The Papal New World Order is gaining full steem ahead, and Protestant America and all the nations of the world will unit under one common ground. National Sunday legislations will take place, and only those few faithful people of God will not break the Sabbath of which the man of sin will attempt to change. Just as major catastrophes begin to hit the globe in quick succession, Protestants and Evangelicals will appeal to Congress and say "this is happening to us because this nation has drifted away from God", thus enforcing Sunday observance (The Mark of the Beast). All who give in to the Beast (Papacy) and his image (Protestantism, and all who conform to the Papacy (like President Push)) will receive the Mark of the Beast (symbolic).
Benedict XVI said his number one goal is to "unite all Christianity", and just recently he mentioned how he is determined to build bridges between Catholicism and other faiths. He is determined to bring the Muslims into harmony, and this new Pope is already gaining respect with Muslim leaders.
Then "all the world will wonder after the beast" and will make war with the saints (those few Christians who uphold the true, Seventh-Day Sabbath, and are pure in heart). This is the time were God will work wonders for his people and he will protect them in the Time of Trouble.
The natural catastrophes will be blamed on the Christians, and the "beast and his image" will rationalize and say "it is better for a few to perish than for all the world to perish". So they will feel it a duty (by taking various scipture out of context) to kill these "stubborn people" who will not comply with the "laws".
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Message 288 of 307 (206795)
05-10-2005 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Yaro
05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
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Essentially what you are saying is that Wyatt knowingly led these people into a situation where they may encure the wrath of god.
No, no, Ron Wyatt was a learning man himself. God was teaching him, and what God taught him was he did the wrong thing in bringing those men. Ron Wyatt was not perfect, and he made wrong decisions, but his life testified that he always did what he knew to be right. When he found out that he did something wrong, he always did all that he knew to correct it.
It was all a learning process.

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Message 304 of 307 (207132)
05-11-2005 2:03 PM


PecosGeorge,
quote:
I suppose the utter contradiction in these two paragraphs escapes you?
This is stuff as I have never seen before and I have seen some stuff.
'Sanctified and cleansed from all sin'.....and 'Ron Wyatt was not perfect'.
Too bad god didn't tell him before he brought those men. So impossibly remiss and derelict in duty, didn't god know Ron would do such foolishness?
Made wrong decisions, did what he knew to be right???????
Small wonder non-believers are laughing their duchus off.
Built-in obsolescence and the ark go hand in hand. Its purpose was complete at calvary. It has no other function than what it did B.C.
(I need a drink. Ugh! I don't drink).
There's no contradiction there. You're only reading a contradiction there because you do not discern spiritual things. Spiritual things are only spiritually discerned. You must be spiritual to understand these things, otherwise you will see everything as a contradiction.
A man does not have to be perfect in order to be sanctified and cleansed from all sin. It's the "all sin" that you're stuck on, instead of properly interpreting it to mean "all known sin". Perfection of character = all known sin expelled from the life. God sees the sinner's heart.
quote:
Too bad god didn't tell him before he brought those men. So impossibly remiss and derelict in duty, didn't god know Ron would do such foolishness?
Your reasoning is very warped. You say this because you do not understand God, and you feel that God should do things according to the way you understand reason. I'm sorry to say, but God has reasons for the way he does things, and that's where trust comes in. God's purpose is to always help a soul learn from past mistakes. God was merciful in not letting the Ark of the Covenant be revealed with those men in there. That in itself was God's way of "preventing the inevitable from happening with those men there".
And yes, God did know Ron would do what you term as "foolishness", that is why things happened the way they did. God did things just the way He thought best, and it isn't for our finite minds to try and question God's decisions. He knows best. That's all there is to it.
Dead Parrot,
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Lysimachus,
If God doesn't want the Ark revealed yet, aren't you doing Him something of a disservice by writing about it? He's gonna be pissed when it comes to the end of the world, yells "Gotcha!" and whips out the Ark, only to find everybody wearing Ark T-shirts and discussing cherubim alignment.
OK, I'm being slightly facetious, but how can you expect to convince people when it's not meant to happen? And why would you want to?
No, because for some reason God has let only so much information be revealed to the world to test them, I believe. I'm writing about no more information than has already been released. It is everyone's choice whether they believe the Ark of the Covenant is down there or not, but what hurts most is when people mock Ron Wyatt for not disclosing more information. Ron disclosed as much information as he possibly could. Ron Wyatt was the man for the hour to help locate the general location for the Ark's resting place. He established that it is in that cave, and now we know just what cave to dig in. There are two entrances, the Garden Tomb entrance (the one where Ron dug to get to it (and only one man can fit through the crawling spaces), which only one man can fit through that crawling space. The ARk of the Covenant could NEVER come through or be revealed to the world through that small crawling space. But Ron calculated that the Ark of the Covenant can be reached (after he saw it) through the Zedekiah's Cave, of which there is a labrinth of tunnels leading from. Ron Wyatt released as much information as he could and was allowed (Antiquities Authorities told him to remain silent, as it would bring about a holy war and much violence). The Garden Tomb entrance has been sealed off by Israeli Antiquities Authorities.
Ron Wyatt informed us that he believed God wanted it to be revealed through Zedekiah's Cave, the original tunnel Jeremiah entered to hide it. But locating just where the original tunnel branches off from Zedekiah's Cave to the chamber is a little bit tricky, and work is well under way. The rate at which the dig is going is in accordance to God's timing. If it were a sin to try and locate the Ark's location, then the prophecy could never fulfill through human instrumentality--the way God works.
For now, we as human beings are to fulfill our duty. To dig. God's will still takes the primary sway, and the digging rate will go in accordance to His will.
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